Nikon caves. D600 shutter repairs to be offered

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    RichA, Feb 26, 2014
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    Me Guest

    It took them about a year and a half.
    Meanwhile they released the D610, the most significant improvement over
    the D600 being that the sensor didn't clog up with oil spots.
    IMO, not a huge PR success, nor the way they addressed the issues with
    some D800/D800E cameras with misaligned focus sensors.
    I'm also not happy with the fact they sold Nik software to Google, and
    are now dumping u-point in the new version of Capture NX (afaik there's
    no way to use the Nik plugins in the new Capture NX). I suppose
    software isn't their core business, NX was always a slow pig to use with
    a clunky interface, but u-point technology was innovative, worked
    extremely well, and was once a Nikon only specialty for raw image
    processing. So - they sold it.
    IMO the Nikon Df is a frankencamera, they seem to have abandoned Dx
    format for pro/semi pro lines (despite the fact that u4/3 are eating in
    to their consumer dx dslr market).
    There's still no Dx format (or larger) mirrorless camera from them -
    despite the fact that they produced the one series with hybrid AF which
    (despite flaws) worked better than anything else in the market when it
    was released, and could have been scaled in to a larger format.
    I'm trying to think of something they've really nailed lately - I was
    thinking the 70-200 f4 VR, but it's damned expensive - and Canon was
    making one 10 years ago, so it's hardly innovative.
    The D800/E was innovative for the sensor technology, which mainly comes
    from Sony - but otherwise is much the same as an ancient D700.
    Rant finished (though I'll probably think of other things after posting
    this).
    I'm a Nikon user since the '80s - Nikon has their ups and downs, and I
    get the feeling that they're heading for, if not already in a "down"
    now. My Nikon stuff still works, I still use it, but they haven't come
    up with anything lately that I want to buy.
     
    Me, Feb 26, 2014
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    Did they ever own Nik software? I've always understood that Nik was an
    independent organisation who wrote NX which they then licensed to
    Nikon. With the purchase by Google of the independent Nik, Nikon's
    source of software has dried up.
    Nikon now has to develop their own software - which must not infringe
    Nik's copyright or patents.

    If that's what is happening, it's a great pity. I very much liked
    NX/NX2.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 27, 2014
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    Savageduck Guest

    ....or Nikon makes a deal with NIK/Google.
     
    Savageduck, Feb 27, 2014
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    Me Guest

    I'd have hoped so...
    ....if the new CaptureNX allowed Nik plugins.

    I'm not sure how much of Nik Software Nikon owned - they definitely made
    a capital investment in Nik, the Nikon exclusive (for raw) Capture NX
    long preceded release of Nik plugins for other image editing programs.

    I liked CaptureNX too. But it copped a lot of flak in forums etc, due
    to unstable performance and what were demanding hardware requirements.
    It was also a major paradigm shift for people used to using layers etc
    in Photoshop.
    When I first started using it on a single core AthlonXP generation
    machine - which was a typical/average setup at the time - it was
    practically unusable. Updating to a more state of the art Core2
    machine, it was usable - but some processing functions were still
    extremely laggy and inconvenient. It actually works perfectly fine
    these days even on 36mp raw files, using a modestly priced and hardly
    high-end Corei7 machine. But despite CPU grunt catching up so that the
    program works fine - the horse has bolted.
     
    Me, Feb 27, 2014
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    Savageduck Guest

    Did Capture NX ever have the capability to use the NIK collection plug-ins?
    I used the NX trial when I got my D70, and a later version when I got
    my D300. I liked the ideas which were shown in the demo videos, but I
    was never comfortable using it and stayed on the Photoshop treadmill.
    It was a few more years before I got the NIK collection because of a
    discount promotion via NAPP, and found that it was easy to work into my
    Photoshop workflow. Needless to say I was quite please when Google
    didn't cut it off at the knees when they bought NIK.
    I suspect that one of these days we will hear that Google has added NIK
    features to Picasa.
     
    Savageduck, Feb 27, 2014
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    RichA Guest

    I wonder how many people dumped their D600's because of that problem and lost money?
     
    RichA, Feb 28, 2014
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    Me Guest

    No - but NX came with "u-points".
    Only if it suits their profit-driven agenda - which would mean that they
    found there was more to gain by giving it away to everybody, than by
    selling it to a few.
    It's be nice even if they sold a set of plugins compatible with OS
    software. Closest to "free" software it works with (most of the suite)
    is with Elements - often given away free with assorted gadgets.
     
    Me, Feb 28, 2014
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    Bowser Guest

    Piss poor job by Nikon! They wait until *now* to acknowledge the
    issue, even though it had been proven to be real by not only end
    users, but reviewers from every major review site? Wicked bad PR and
    it'll make you think twice about buying Nikon. What's next, a fix for
    the "imaginary" AF issue in the D800?
     
    Bowser, Feb 28, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    I never saw that issue. When I first heard about it, I brought my camera
    in to Nikon repair, and waited. After a wait, the handed my my camera
    and told me that I had no problem. (I then tested it and found out that
    I didn't.) I have a friend who had the issue, and he brought it to Nikon
    repair. After a short wait, they gave hm th camera and told him that he
    had not issue. Since I wasn't in the repair shop itself, I can't say
    what happened there. Other, similar stories are floating around.
     
    PeterN, Mar 1, 2014
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    RichA Guest

    I saw it, before the stories hit the net, a friend had one of the first D800's in Canada, but I put it down to a misadjusted focus adjustment with a specific lens and didn't think much about it. Stupidly, I didn't mention itat the time because some people don't know much about cameras and often don't see issues so why upset them if they are happy? I should have. He ended up exchanging camera twice to get one that didn't have the issue. I would love to know exactly what the issue is with the D800, it is kind of fascinating.
     
    RichA, Mar 1, 2014
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    Savageduck Guest

    If you registered your original NIK software, you should have received
    an email from NIK (Google) around March 2013, which would have looked
    like this.
    < https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_597.jpg >

    If you didn't get that email, I would contact NIK customer support and
    explain your situation.
     
    Savageduck, Mar 1, 2014
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    Bowser Guest

    One thing is certain: it's unlikely that Nikon will ever 'fess up to
    this one since it's (apparently) been fixed in newer bodies. But it
    was real, no question.
     
    Bowser, Mar 1, 2014
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    From what I've read it was an assembly problem rather than a design or
    manufacturing problem.
     
    Eric Stevens, Mar 1, 2014
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    Me Guest

    The next bad news about the "new" NX, is that it doesn't keep edit data
    in the *.nef file as metadata, but uses sidecar files.
    Sidecar files are of course the "standard" way of doing things, but the
    Nikon way with metadata included in the file (but not changing the raw
    data) has certain advantages.
    Edits made to *.nef files with "old" CaptureNX aren't shown by the "new"
    captureNX, so if you want to further tweak any existing edits to an
    image you've made - you're going to have to use "old" NX - or start
    again from scratch (why the hell you'd want to do this with a new and
    crippled NX is another question).
    As for cameras, there are ways to change headers on *.nef files from
    "unsupported" camera models so that some can be opened in an "out of
    date" NX.
     
    Me, Mar 2, 2014
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    Savageduck Guest

    If you are not going update your CS(x) or Lightroom and you are still
    using Aperture you should be able to get the NEF support with the Apple
    RAW updates while they still support OSX 10.6.
    Otherwise you can use Adobe's free DNG convertor to convert your NEF's to DNG.

    The other thing to consider is many of the latest versions of the
    various graphic edition software is no longer supported in OSX 10.6
    (Snow Leopard) examples of those that will not run on SL are PS/CC and
    LR5.
     
    Savageduck, Mar 2, 2014
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    Savageduck Guest

    I was pretty much locked into SL until it was obvious I was going to
    have to move forward If I wanted any of the features available in new
    software such as LR5 and/or PS/CC. So I moved from OSX 10.6.8 to OSX
    10.9, and other than a few changes I wasn't expecting, I am quite happy.

    The same is true for Windows support for Adobe software. The latest
    Adobe products are not supported on older versions of Windows.
    ....and that might be your perception, but might not necessarily be a
    particularly good thing if you are denying yourself software advances
    because you are locked into one particular program which is currently
    on life support.

    The latest version of ACR found in PS/CC, CS6, & LR5 is a very
    different animal from all earlier versions and the latest features will
    more than compensate for any loss of NX features.

    If you are going to stay with the OS and software you are currently
    using and you buy an unsupported camera, DNG convertor is going to be
    your only option.
    If you need Rosetta for some stuff, it might be worthwhile to consider
    having an SL and a OSX 10.9 partition. Quite a few folks do things that
    way.
    If he ever registered with NIK they should have some record of the transaction.
    ....and that is the most likely explanation.
    I have never needed to call NIK(Google) customer service/support.
    However on two occasions before the Google takeover I had some
    installation issues which they were very helpful in solving for me.
     
    Savageduck, Mar 2, 2014
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    Bowser Guest

    that would be good news since it's much easier to remedy than a design
    problem which, as we've seen with the D600, can't really be fixed
    without major surgery.
     
    Bowser, Mar 2, 2014
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    Guest Guest

    They just stopped to support it. End of SL.[/QUOTE]

    snow leopard will continue to work just fine for years to come.

    all that no support means is no more security updates and if you don't
    do anything stupid, that won't affect you in the least.

    or just use a newer machine for security related tasks like online
    banking and use the snow leopard machine for photography.
    at some point, support ends. nothing lasts forever.

    snow leopard came out in late 2007, nearly 7 years ago. that's a really
    long time in this industry.

    it still works just fine. keep using it if you want. the software you
    have now will continue to run.

    if you want newer software that no longer works in snow leopard, you
    will have to upgrade to be able to use it.
     
    Guest, Mar 2, 2014
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    rOn Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:54:39 -0800, Savageduck
    As far as I know there is no substute for the genuine U-Point
    technology. I will hate to be without it.
     
    Eric Stevens, Mar 2, 2014
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