Nikon Coolscan 5000 ED Scanner Speed?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Mardon, Nov 21, 2006.

  1. Mardon

    Mardon Guest

    I've been using a Nikon Coolscan IV ED, film scanner for about 3
    years. The slow speed of this device is really starting to get to
    me, despite the fact that it produces acceptable quality and is
    still functioning just as well as the day I got it. A full 35mm
    frame at the max resolution of 2,600 dpi requires 3 min and 20
    seconds (122 seconds for the preview and 198 seconds for the
    scan). This is using the most recent version (v1.2) of Nikon's
    software and with all the software functions active except
    sharpening (that is, Digital ICE4, ROC, Digital GEM, etc, all
    turned on.)

    I'd like to know if a Nikon 5000 ED will actually do all this, for
    a full frame scan at 4000dpi, in under 20 seconds as claimed on
    the Nikon website. Their website does not provide any information
    to elaborate on the 20 second processing claim. If it will do
    both a preview and a complete scan in under 20 seconds, with
    Digital ICE, ROC , etc. all turned on, then I think I will upgrade
    to the 5000 ED. Can someone provide the 'real life' scanning
    times for the preview and scan functions of a 5000 ED with all the
    software adjustments active? I'd hate to buy one and then find out
    it's almost as slow as the Coolscan IV ED. TIA
     
    Mardon, Nov 21, 2006
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    jeremy Guest

    I believe that your speed times are typical. Digital ICE3 adds a lot of
    time to the scan, but it saves many times more minutes in not having to
    manually correct for dust and grain. My own scanner, not a Nikon, takes
    close to 5 minutes to scan a single frame when Digital ICE3 is on. The only
    good thing is that I can insert an entire uncut roll of negs, and the
    scanner will automatically advance them and scan them with no further
    intervention from me. I just come back in 2 hours and the scans are
    finished.
     
    jeremy, Nov 21, 2006
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  3. Check your settings: preview and scan don't need to take that long. Why
    have everything switched on for preview? You don't need ICE or GEM for
    preview, and ROC is of questionable value at the best of times anyway.
    The basic scan time in preview mode is only 15secs for the LS-IV. Your
    times for the main scan are a little excessive as well, suggesting that
    your settings include refocusing and autoexposure during the main scan -
    do you need that if it is implemented at preview? The standard time to
    complete the scan with all post-processing enabled is 160sec. This is
    based on a 1GHz Pentium4 machine with 1GB of RAM. Only 42sec of this is
    spent actually scanning, so a faster processor will reduce the scan
    time.
    On your machine may even be slower than the LS-IV as it has more than
    twice as much data to deal with. The only thing faster about the
    LS-5000 is the raw time, which is reduced to 20sec from 42sec for the
    main scan and 11 sec from 15 for the preview - the rest of the time is
    focus (the same on both machines) and post processing (which is
    dependent on the speed of your computer, not the scanner).

    If you have the serial number of your LS-IV you can register on the
    Nikon web site and get access to all of their user manuals - the actual
    times with all software enabled are given in the LS-5000 manual as 41sec
    for preview and 162sec for main scan (based on a 3GHz P4 with 1GB RAM)
    but these don't include focus or auto-exposure pass. I have found that
    Nikon are pretty accurate on their times if you have a processor similar
    to what they used on their benchmark.

    Incidentally, the latest version of the software for your scanner is
    NikonScan 4.02, not 1.2 - also available from the Nikon web site if you
    register.
     
    Kennedy McEwen, Nov 22, 2006
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  4. Mardon

    Mardon Guest

    Thanks very much for your comments, Kennedy. I don't use ROC and
    the other Post Processing controls in 'real-life' because they take
    too long. I use the colour curves to restore the colour and then
    fine tune in PS CS2. I did not have refocusing and analogue
    exposure active for the scan times I quoted nor do I use those
    controls when doing actual processing. My PC is an HP6200
    workstation with dual Xeon 3.6 GHz processors and 5GM memory with
    Windows XP pro OS, etc. Lots of power.
    I registered with Nikon and downloaded the LS5000 manual. As you
    say, the times for the LS5000 are not all that much shorter than
    I'm experiencing with my LS40. This really surprised me in light
    of the 20 second claim on the Nikon website. The 'catch' is that
    the manual makes it clear that the 20 seconds quotedf is only the
    scan time (no preview) with everything turned off. The LS5000
    manual says the LS500 scan time is 162 secs versus my LS40 measured
    at 198 secs with the same features active. According to the manual
    the LS5000 scan + preview time is 3 min 23 secs. But the manual is
    not clear if ICE4, etc was turned on for the preview portion. It
    was turned on during the preview test of my LS40. Bottom line ---
    I am not going to upgrade. Thanks for saving me $1000.00!
    I was referring to version 1.2 of the firmware for the LS40. It is
    the latest. I am using version 4.02 of NikonScan.

    Thanks again for all the help! :)
     
    Mardon, Nov 22, 2006
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  5. Mardon

    Roger (K8RI) Guest

    Having run in the neighborhood of 30,000 slides and negatives through
    an LS5000 ED I think I can say with some certainty that yes their time
    is close although it will vary a little when using Nikon Scan 4, or
    VueScan.

    Having said that I have to ask: Why do you have all that stuff turned
    on? With new, or freshly processed negatives be they from the store
    or "do it your self: I rarely need ICE, OTOH I use it regularly on
    older slides and negatives. ROC? It's indeed rare to ever need this.
    I may have used it on 30 or 40 slides and a couple of negatives out of
    the whole 30,000 plus images. ROC or Restore Old Color or what ever
    they want to call it takes time and when not needed can sometimes give
    some garish results.

    GEM. Do you really need it. I some times do but mostly don't. I just
    don't normally see much grain in the scans. Again, I seldom see a need
    for using it even when scanning at 4000 dpi and 16 bit color depth.

    Take that original preview and scan time. For ICE you can add about
    50% so to a 20 second scan and preview so it's going to take about 30
    seconds give or take, but nothing like many think. ICE is a complete
    scan of it's own, but it's monochrome (IR) and is quite fast as it the
    algorithm.

    HOWEVER when you add GEM you can easily double the time from 30
    seconds to a minute or more. Possibly much more depending on the
    settings. ROC isn't quite as bad as GEM with the settings set high
    but it still adds a lot of time. Put them all together and it really
    adds up.

    If you aren't careful and use too much processing, you can easily add
    time that is normally unnecessary which will run it up to two or three
    minutes.

    Good Luck

    Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
    (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
    www.rogerhalstead.com
     
    Roger (K8RI), Nov 22, 2006
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  6. Mardon

    Roger Guest

    When running slides through my scan times are much less than these.
    but then again, I've never seen the need for enabeling all that
    software if it's not needed.

    I'm running on a 3.4Gig 64 bit Athlon with one meg cache and two Gigs
    DDR RAM.

    Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
    (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
    www.rogerhalstead.com
     
    Roger, Nov 22, 2006
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  7. Mardon

    Mardon Guest

    I don't. As mentioned in my reply to Kennedy, I wanted to
    benchmark against the LS5000 with everything turned on to see the
    longest time. Nikon was claiming 20 seconds on their website but I
    now know that is without the preview time and then only if
    everything is turned off.
    My slides and negatives are all from the late '40s to early '90s. I
    don't do anything current except some positive film shot with an
    old 3D camera. ICE is very helpful as the majority of these films
    have specks on them. They have been passed around a lot and were
    not always stored in the best of conditions. ROC is very helpful
    on some of the early slides '50s era. Stuff from the '70s and
    newer has not faded so much. A lot of my film is B&W and, of
    course, many of the features don't even work on B&W, so not much is
    turned on when scanning them.

    Agreed. I can't think oif when I've ever used GEM for a 'real'
    scan..
    I scan all at 12 bits, which is the maximum for the LS40.

    Thanks for your comments. Bottom line is that I've learned the
    LS5000 is not that much better than the LS40 for my purposes and
    I'll not be upgrading.
     
    Mardon, Nov 22, 2006
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