Nikon Coolscan III vs Minolta Dimage Scan Dual III

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Patrick B Cox, Feb 24, 2004.

  1. I am in the market for a good quality film scanner at a reasonable price. My
    intended use is to scan 35mm negatives for the web and to work on my
    Photoshop skills. I may also make some prints up to 8x10. In researching, I
    found that the Coolscan III can be purchased for $200 - $300 used. I know
    this is an older machine but if I found one that was in good shape, would
    this be a good choice? My other option seems to be a new (or used) Minolta
    Dimage Scan Dual III. Of the two, which would you choose? Also, please
    offer any other options that would seem to fit. I would like to keep my
    investment at $300 or less.

    Thanks!
     
    Patrick B Cox, Feb 24, 2004
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  2. Patrick B Cox

    Ed E. Guest

    The CoolScan III would be a better choice solely because it has ICE
    built-in. The SD3 is bad about making small specs of dust into huge glowing
    globs in your scanned image.

    Check the interface on the CoolScan 3 - some of the older scanners used SCSI
    but I'm not sure about that one off the top of my head. Even that scanner
    with a cheap SCSI card is a great deal.
     
    Ed E., Feb 24, 2004
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  3. The Coolscan III does use a SCSI interface. Is this a whole lot slower than
    USB? If I am not going to be scanning bulk, will this be an issue?

    Thanks.
     
    Patrick B Cox, Feb 24, 2004
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  4. Patrick B Cox

    Al Dykes Guest


    I bought a Minolta Dimage Elite F-2900 on Ebay a year ago for about
    $200 and it scans up to 4032x2688 pixels. It's scsi, which was not a
    problem for me. The newer Minolta, in the store, was USB and I almost
    bought it but I realized that the 2900 had Digital Ice and the current
    model, at a similar price, didn't. I'm scanning lots of very old
    slides and it's doing a great job.
     
    Al Dykes, Feb 24, 2004
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    Magnus W Guest

    DUH! You are insulting SCSI. SCSI will kick USB 1's posterior, any day
    (SCSI-II is seven times faster than USB 1). Transfer speed is not much of
    an issue with scanners anyway, the bottleneck is in getting the data off
    the film.
     
    Magnus W, Feb 24, 2004
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    SCSI is a PITA
    THe price you would pay for the Nikon is about as much as Nikon will charge
    to repair it, and they may fail to repair it, so make certain it works
    properly or send it back. When it fails - and it WILL fail, toss it out.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Feb 24, 2004
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  7. Patrick B Cox

    Ed E. Guest

    The Coolscan III does use a SCSI interface. Is this a whole lot slower
    than
    As Magnus noted, SCSI is faster. The down side is the price of the card and
    cable between the card and the scanner. But do yourself a favor and get a
    scanner with ICE built into it, not that software-only stuff like the Scan
    Dual III uses. It honestly makes a huge difference.
     
    Ed E., Feb 24, 2004
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  8. Patrick B Cox

    David Chien Guest

    www.imaging-resource.com for scanner reviews of them all.

    Here, I'd go with the Minolta Scan Dual IV for $350 from
    www.bhphotovideo.com today new instead of the III. Higher resolution,
    faster.

    ---

    Otherwise, the $800 Minolta Scan 5400. No point going for something
    with lower resolution at this price - totally packed with everything
    you'll ever need.

    ---

    That said, you can get away with 1) $59 Epson 1660 Photo flatbed scanner
    with 35mm adapter at Fry's Electronics refub'd and elsewhere. Why pay
    more when you're doing web work? You're definitely not going to be
    uploading 3000x3000+ images, right? 2) digital camera with slide
    adapter lens attachment (eg. Nikon 99x/95x series with such). Very fast
    way to take 'scans' of film. Just press the shutter button. 3) Find a
    local lab with a digital film processor. eg. Flashback photo in
    Westminster, CA has a Noritsu QSS-3011 and can scan ~1500x1000 images
    from film to CD-R discs. ~$1/frame, but far, far faster than you'd ever
    get done at home for a few rolls of film, built-in scratch & dust
    removal through ICE in the Noritsu, and the operator can do a fast color
    correction faster than you can.

    Sometimes, honestly, it's not necessary to spend $$$ on 'scanning' just
    for fun & web. A basic scanner can do it all.

    But, if you're looking to archive negatives in the future, at least the
    Minolta Scan Dual IV.
     
    David Chien, Feb 24, 2004
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  9. Patrick B Cox

    Paul Guest

    : > The Coolscan III does use a SCSI interface. Is this a whole lot slower
    : than
    : > USB? If I am not going to be scanning bulk, will this be an issue?
    :
    : As Magnus noted, SCSI is faster. The down side is the price of the card
    and
    : cable between the card and the scanner. But do yourself a favor and get a
    : scanner with ICE built into it, not that software-only stuff like the Scan
    : Dual III uses. It honestly makes a huge difference.
    :
    I was all set to buy a Coolscan IV a while back until I read that its ICE
    doesn't work with Kodachrome. Most of my slides are Kodachrome, so I need
    something that will handle that kind of film. Is it just Nikon, or do all
    forms of ICE have this limitation?

    Paul
     
    Paul, Feb 24, 2004
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  10. Excellent advise Tony,
    I don't think I've come across a CSIII owner who has had any reliability out
    of their scanner. One poor sole paid $350 to have his repaired and it worked
    for 2 days. The Nikon agent said "Due to the complexity of the item and the
    fact it relies on other devices outside our control, we do not offer any
    guarantees on repairs to these scanners."

    Douglas
     
    Douglas MacDonald, Feb 24, 2004
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  11. Patrick B Cox

    Ed E. Guest

    I keep forgetting to ask about that - ICE works the same on all of the
    scanners as far as I'm aware. Most color print and slide film work fine
    with ICE, but there are a couple of trouble-makers.

    Even knowing that ICE may not do you much good, I'd probably still go with
    the Nikon. The Minolta was pretty nice, but the Nikon generally gave me
    better scans. I settled on the Nikon CoolScan IV that you had mentioned as
    it does everything I need. While the extra 1100dpi would be nice, this one
    gives me sharp enough scans to go 20"x30" with a little bit of PhotoShop
    work. Prints at 8"x12" are awesome straight out of the scanner.

    Best wishes on your choice. If you would like me to try a slide or two to
    see how it comes out, just e-mail me privately. Drop MyPants to get my
    attention. ;)
     
    Ed E., Feb 24, 2004
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    Bill Tuthill Guest

    That's not what I've heard. Although I do not own an ICE-capable scanner,
    I've heard that the Minolta Dimage 5400 was the first one that could scan
    Kodachrome well, and that ICE3 in the new Nikon V and 5000 scanners works
    better. Furthermore Vuescan is able to scan Kodachrome quite well even
    with older scanners.
     
    Bill Tuthill, Feb 25, 2004
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  13. I see that scanner is now 299 bux....how are they? I have 200-300 50 year
    old slides of the Korean War taken on Kodachrome that I need to scan. Also,
    I want to scan negative film for print archives taken with a 'vintage' AE-1
    that I own.

    Would this be a good choice for me? I've been scanning the negatives with a
    flatbed, and the results are not great to mediocre.

    thanks
     
    Ernest T. Bass, Feb 26, 2004
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Chein is a bit off - in every respect. There are some flatbeds that will
    produce a pretty good film scan but they are not cheap. Quite frankly a film
    scanner is a more economical purchase if you have a lot of slides.
    According to Nikon ICE does not work with Kodachrome, but I've used it
    without problems. THe scans do come out too blue but with a high bit scan
    that can be corrected in Photoshop or (if you are scanning many from a roll
    for example) in the scanner itself.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Feb 26, 2004
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  15. I saw the Dual IV for $244... B&H I think... I highly recommend
    this scanner. See the review article at my web site...

    Good luck!




    jim h


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    Jim Hutchison, Feb 29, 2004
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  16. Hi Jim....do you think the IV will do ok with 50 year old Kodachrome slides?
    I'll have about 200 of them to scan

    thanks

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    Ernest T. Bass, Feb 29, 2004
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  17. I've heard the scanner has issues with Kodachrome, so - bring one to
    a store that has one in stock, and have them scan it for you.

    That's what Henry's in Toronto did for me... they had one out for
    demo purposes, and it wasn't working at the time, so they grabbed one
    from stock and demo'd it for me.

    Let me know...






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    Jim Hutchison, Mar 1, 2004
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  18. Jim....sorry for the hasty post of mine. I meant will the Minolta Dual Scan
    IV work for Kodachrome, it looks like I implied the Nikon Coolscan IV...in
    case you took it that way.

    thanks

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    Ernest T. Bass, Mar 1, 2004
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  19. Not at all - I had heard the Minolta had issues with Kodachrome
    myself, so I interpreted it correctly.

    I don't have Kodachrome slides to test it with, so that's why I
    recommend you take one to a store and have them demo the Minolta.


    jim h


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    Jim Hutchison, Mar 2, 2004
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  20. Thanks for the info....I'm going to thoroughly check it out. I produce
    negative film that I need to scan, but these old Kodachrome slides are a big
    issue..

    thanks again.

    john

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    bit of humour...
     
    Ernest T. Bass, Mar 2, 2004
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