Nikon D2x - it's official

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Brian C. Baird, Sep 16, 2004.

  1. Brian C. Baird, Sep 16, 2004
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    ed Guest

    I think it's stupid that to shoot faster the focal length is changed for
    you... How smart.

    PS: Sarcasm enclosed.
     
    ed, Sep 16, 2004
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  3. It's a gimmick, certainly. Nikon shouldn't bet money on it being a big
    selling point, it might be nice to have but it isn't a deal breaker
    feature.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Sep 16, 2004
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  4. It's interesting to think about how this pushes lens development in a
    different direction. The 5.5 um sensel spacing will challenge many
    existing lenses, but the smaller sensor reduces angle-of-incidence
    problems and reduces the image circle demanded.
     
    Stephen H. Westin, Sep 16, 2004
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  5. Nope....its a real useful function for photojournalists. We don't always
    need more MP but its nice to know its there if we need it...more often we
    need speed. I can see myself using both.
     
    Gene Palmiter, Sep 16, 2004
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    Chris Brown Guest

    It's certainly a novel way of selling what everyone else calls "digital
    zoom", albeit minus the subsequent interpolation step.
     
    Chris Brown, Sep 16, 2004
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  7. The 2x crop factor in low-res mode makes it a 4/3 killer.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Sep 16, 2004
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    Bill Hilton Guest

    As a Canon user all I can say is "Nice job Nikon, that's one cool camera!" :)
    Or maybe "two cool cameras" in one?
     
    Bill Hilton, Sep 16, 2004
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  9. Brian C. Baird

    J Zawrotny Guest

    I'm quite curious as to how the wireless connectivity is going to pan out.
    Could be an added power-drain, but how great would it be to finish firing
    the last frame of a shoot and have all your photos already sitting on your
    PC?
     
    J Zawrotny, Sep 16, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Looks like one hell of a camera ... CMOS too... hmm.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 16, 2004
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  11. Brian C. Baird

    Eric Gill Guest

    Bloody marvelous, especially in-studio. Hell, you could set a very large
    viewing screen up to get a nice big view of what you have just shot -
    immediately.

    Or, come to think of it, it should be simple to rig an "unlimited" carry-
    pack (using, say, an iPod or similar portable unit with a nice-sized hard
    drive). Put a 2GB card in your camera as a buffer, set the whole thing up
    to dump constantly, and you've got, what - thousands, tens of thousands of
    exposures before you just *have* to stop?

    I'm hoping we'll see imitation of this from everyone else - in fact, you'd
    think it would be fairly simple for a third party to come along and provide
    the same thing for any digital body with a reasonably fast interface (the
    Nikon jobbie connects via their USB 2).
     
    Eric Gill, Sep 16, 2004
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    ThomasH Guest

    ....and by the "6.8 mpix 8 f/sec" is is a in the same turn a kind of "better D2H".

    Also the F6 is not a "spook" either!
    Combined with the AS Minolta (special for you) the Photokina
    will be very exciting!

    Thomas
     
    ThomasH, Sep 16, 2004
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  13. Both you and the previous poster seem to miss the point entirely.
    "Digital zoom" is a useless gimmick becuase it gives you nothing
    that postprocessing won't give you. "The subsequent interpolation
    step" even have the unwelcome effect of filling up your card
    with information-free data.

    The 2.0x crop mode on the D2X gives you a faster frame rate /and/
    more space on your card. Both will be much appreciated by sports
    shooters working for newspapers. For newspaper work, 6 Mpx is
    more resolution than you need (the AP customized version of the
    Kodak DCS 420 was only 2 Mpx - and was standard issue with the
    agency in its heyday).

    The 2.0x crop / "digital zoom" is more of a side-effect, but it
    is probably not unwelcome among sports shooters who mostly work
    at the tele end anyway.

    If you don't need the extra framerate, then you don't need this
    mode. But I am certainly that PJs - who is the folks this camera
    is made for - will appreciate to get "two cameras for the price of
    one" (i.e. a low resolution high frame rate shooter for sports and
    a high resolution camera for feature and advertising).
     
    Gisle Hannemyr, Sep 16, 2004
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    bayydogg Guest

    nikon has a way to promote a deficiency, so kudos to them for making
    something negative look positive. there probably was no way nikon
    could squeeze 8fps from a 12.4mp camera, and they know they need 8fps
    to satisfy the sports market. so, nikon engineers/pr people get
    together and develop some scheme. in this case, lower the mp and boost
    the speed and not tell anybody that it's actually a deficiency that
    canon will probably be able to do.

    when the n90s first came out, nikon made a big deal out of keeping
    focus on the main subject, even if something momentarily crossed its
    path. well, i surmised that the AF was too slow to even realize
    something crossed its path, and the nikon pr dept turned around this
    deficiency.

    there are probably several other instances where nikon pr turned
    things around.
     
    bayydogg, Sep 16, 2004
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  15. That would be nice - but a bit of an overkill?

    This feature is squarely aimed at newspapers that have their PJs out
    "in the field" covering breaking news or scheduled sports events. With
    the improved wireless connectivity, they can have the image at their
    picture desk only seconds after the PJ has pressed the shutter.
     
    Gisle Hannemyr, Sep 16, 2004
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  16. Well, the fact they boost the frame rate makes it useful. If it didn't,
    it would be total gimmick. As it stands, it's a love it or hate it
    feature. Useful to some, but not necessary to many.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Sep 16, 2004
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  17. 4/3rds hung itself.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Sep 16, 2004
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  18. And they limited sensitivity to ISO 800 just for fun and not because
    high noise level makes faster ISOs unusable. Right. How dumb I am to
    think about noise.
     
    Alexander Zuev, Sep 16, 2004
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  19. Oh, and of course Canon has never stooped to such a thing! You are so full
    of it.
     
    Wesley Jansen, Sep 16, 2004
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    One scary thought about that. If the editor is then the sole individual who
    chooses the images, is there really much need for talent from the
    photojournalist? Many news events could almost be covered in a sweeping and
    careless P&S manner, letting the editor figure it all out at the office.

    I suppose another potential future development would be a remote wireless
    shutter for the editor as well. That way the photojournalist on location
    merely points the camera, but the editor chooses when to fire the shutter.

    This is turning news still imagery into the model adopted by video news.
    Quite often video sourced motion imagery is fed directly by uplink. Often
    there is also taped video, or direct to hard drive on newer cameras, and
    still some need of editing. Anyway, the scary part about video is that the
    skill of the operator was seen as less of a requirement by some management,
    and at some places has become a least common denominator service position,
    with a questionable future.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    A G Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html> Updated!
     
    Gordon Moat, Sep 16, 2004
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