Nikon D300 is Pop Photo's Camera of the Year

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Neil Harrington, Dec 13, 2007.

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  1. Hmm. The D3 I could see. It fills a niche (speed and IQ in the same camera)
    that Canon doesn't have an entry for and, being 2-year later technology
    (improved microlenses, 14-bit A/D) than the 5D, should be the leader in 12MP
    IQ. It has all the Canonistas sputtering excuses. Definitely camera of the
    year material. Good work, Nikon!

    The D300 is just another boring APS-C camera. Snore. And it's full well
    depth is too small* for it to make use of 14-bit A/D conversion.

    *: This is an assumption. It assumes that, as has been true of all sensors
    to date, full well depth is proportional to pixel area. The D200 is
    brilliant in that it has a perfect match between 12-bit A/D conversion and
    its well depth. The 1DII and 5D fail to outperform the D200 at ISO 100
    despite their larger pixels.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Dec 13, 2007
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  2. Neil Harrington

    frederick Guest

    FWIW, test of the D300 sensor indicates that at ISO 200, it has the same
    (insignificant - but marginally greater) DR (14 bit) than the 40d at iso
    100/200.
    Both show some increase in DR using 14 bit. Both of these cameras have
    over 11 stops of DR. I expect that the D3 (and 5d successor) will have
    more. Sheesh - how did we ever manage with film?
    I wouldn't underestimate the D300 (or 40d) performance at normal iso.
    Good samples I've seen converted from raw files look outstanding.
    There's lots of crappy 40d and D300 samples floating around. One reason
    why so many of the D3 samples look so good in comparison to anything
    else is that Nikon put a lot of the first D3s in the hands of pros who
    really do know how to use a (d)SLR. That was a smarter marketing move
    than we've seen from Nikon for years.
     
    frederick, Dec 13, 2007
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  3. Amazingly enough the majority of those samples from the D3 were shot JPG.
    It's amazing what one can do when they know how to use their equipment. The
    D3 RAW files even make it better.







    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Dec 13, 2007
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  4. Neil Harrington

    Sosumi Guest

    I'm already amazed by how amazing the D300 works ;-)
    You're gonna be one happy woman when you get the D3 (what's the name of the
    ship? Not Titanic or Poseidon I hope).
    I'm very happy with the D300; the D3 is just too much money for me. I'll be
    happy if I can slap some reasonable good glas on D300.
    Yesterday I made some pictures of a cathedral in Mafra (Pt), that was
    covered with beautiful "animated" lights and music (5th Beethoven). Purely
    by coincident. Of course I forgot the tripod, so I had to shoot in darkness.
    800 - 6400 ISO.
    I'll post a few after processing (darn Capture NX works well, but soooo
    slow!).
     
    Sosumi, Dec 13, 2007
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  5. Neil Harrington

    RichA Guest

    How come no one ever mentions that actual type of A/D converters and
    their quality?
     
    RichA, Dec 13, 2007
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  6. Neil Harrington

    Sosumi Guest

  7. From what images I've seen posted it does look like a sweet camera. I'm
    almost tempted to get one but I'm fighting the urge. I'm holding out for
    the old D3 and some long lenses.
    Keep enjoying the D300. It sounds like you are having fun with it.
    Definitely get some fast glass and that camera will really perform.






    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Dec 13, 2007
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  8. Neil Harrington

    Alan Calan Guest

    Well, after great deliberation, I ordered the D300 from Amazon,
    shipped from Amazon at the regular list price. Of course, before I
    hit send I had a little premature buyer's remorse and I went off
    figuring out how much extra I'd be paying for film and processing for
    the F5 if I didn't go digital. After that calculation, which really
    has nothing to do with why I want the D300, I was ready to drop the
    $1,800.

    I don't think the camera is revolutionary in the industry but for me
    it is. As far as camera of the year, yes but not a lot of
    competition. Maybe Nikon won't be on the very edge of technology but
    I feel it won't let us down. Plus, Nikon USA is right near me.

    I am very excited about the camera and the new world it opens up. It's
    almost ten years since I got the F5 and it's time to make the switch.
    I have an SB28 Strobe so I still might need to get the SB800 but
    that's it really, since my lenses will be fine with the D300.

    Is the Lantern book any good? I really need to get some of the Lark
    books on digital photography and photoshop. I've done a lot of work,
    years ago, with photopaint so at least I'm not clueless but for me,
    this really is a revolutionary change. I can still remember the smell
    of Dektol, stop bath and fixer.

    Alan
     
    Alan Calan, Dec 13, 2007
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  9. Sure, but too big and expensive for the title. I wouldn't expect "Camera of
    the Year" to be awarded to a top-of-the-line pro model that relatively few
    people could afford or even want, really.
    It sure doesn't seem boring to me, and I doubt it is to many other Nikon
    fans either. And I *like* DX cameras.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Dec 15, 2007
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    LuvLatins Guest

    I bought a D200 about a year ago and fell in love with it. The new
    D300 is so attractive that I decided to take the $1800 dollar leap and
    give my D200 to my son. Yea I know I probably should have waited for
    the next generation but the D200 was so outstanding I am sure the D300
    will not disapoint. The auto sensor cleaning sounds nice and the
    other features sound great too.

    I dont know why people always beat up on Nikon. The D200 is clearly a
    huge success no matter what the negative people say. There is no
    question that it is a solid and good camera. Once again they want to
    bash on the D300. I will let you know how I feel after I get my hands
    on mine later today.

    LL
     
    LuvLatins, Dec 22, 2007
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  11. Nikon envy, probably.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Dec 22, 2007
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  12. I really wouldn't worry too much about what people say about the D200. It's
    a great camera as you say and has/is serving people really well. That being
    said, if the D300 is a "slight" improvement over the D200 than it is going
    to be an amazing camera.





    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Dec 22, 2007
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  13. Neil Harrington

    TH O Guest

    No, people try to justify their expensive purchases. Canon vs Nikon
    discussions generate as many flamewars as PC vs Mac discussions. When
    Nikon ruled, there were as many Nikon users beating down Canon users as
    there are now Canon users attacking Nikon users.
     
    TH O, Dec 23, 2007
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  14. But wasn't that era before the advent of usenet??

    ;)

    Actually, I've not seen much of a discrepancy of numbers between
    Nikonians and Canonistas since Nikon made some nice releases.

    And Mac flamewars have really died down since it's now a generally
    accepted opinion that the Mac platform as well as hardware and aesthetic
    appeal is superior in all ways but cost per Mb.
     
    John McWilliams, Dec 23, 2007
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  15. Neil Harrington

    TH O Guest

    They still ruled in 99 ... there were some interesting threads back in
    those days. Back before spam and trolls started to ruin things.
    Ok, I can't argue there. :)
     
    TH O, Dec 23, 2007
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    Roger (K8RI) Guest

    According to some reviews (DPreview) it's more than a slight
    improvement.

    I've had mine several weeks now and to say I like it doesn't do it
    justice. It's much like shooting with my old F4S, but more versatile
    and not as heavy. Solid though.

    My only complaint is the new NEFs require a different plugin than the
    older NEFs, I haven't figured out how to do a bulk conversion in Nikon
    Capture, and my version of Photoshop (CS) is no longer supported.
    Looks like time to upgrade.


    Roger (K8RI)
     
    Roger (K8RI), Dec 24, 2007
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  17. That's refreshing to hear.
    Strangely enough I haven't held one yet. I'll have to play with one and see
    how it feels. The scary thought is I might like the D300 and buy it on the
    spot for a D3 backup.
    Yes, it's very irritating. I never liked the feel of Nikon's earlier
    version of Capture NX. Oddly enough I did like the old Capture 4 for the
    way it handled D200, D2x(s) files. It won't work with D300 and D3 files.
    Capture 4 is very quick and streamlined for basic and batch processing of
    files that didn't need sever manipulation. I'll have to compare the latest
    Capture NX to CS3 and see if I can force myself to get used to it. From
    what I read, Capture NX handles and processes the RAW files better with
    little effort.






    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Dec 24, 2007
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  18. Roger-

    In the mean time you could use Adobe's free DNG converter to batch those
    NEFs and then take them into CS. Or take a free trial of CS3 and
    Lightroom- each with 30 days, and both handle the newer Nikon formatted
    NEFs.

    Nice to see you again!
     
    John McWilliams, Dec 24, 2007
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  19. Neil Harrington

    acl Guest

    You should give Capture One 4 a try. I think it's the best overall
    converter (although I'm still testing it obsessively, so my opinion
    may change). Quite fast, too. I found NX is good, but its user
    interface is awkward almost to the point of unusability (it's ok for
    3-4 shots, but try to convert 20 in one sitting- argh!). And if you
    make the mistake of switching NR to "better quality" mode, forget it.
     
    acl, Dec 24, 2007
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