Nikon D300 sold out in Europe

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Sosumi, Dec 27, 2007.

  1. Sosumi

    C J Campbell Guest

    Certainly, the latter was a big factor with Nikon. They waited to see
    what the demand was going to be before they increased production of the
    D3 And D300 by more than 12,000 units a month. Not that this gets rid
    of the backlog any time soon, but I doubt that anyone who orders one of
    these cameras will have to wait more than a few weeks for it, at least
    if they order it from one of the larger Nikon dealers. OTOH, you might
    be able to get one quicker from some small dealers who might have their
    only D300 or D3 allocated to them just sitting in the store.
     
    C J Campbell, Dec 28, 2007
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  2. Sosumi

    C J Campbell Guest

    Certainly not around here. Generally, if a particular model is starting
    to disappear from store shelves, it is either because they were all
    sold out in the Christmas rush (likely, given the time of year), or
    else (at other times of the year) they are about to be replaced by the
    manufacturer's latest and greatest.

    Consider the Nikon D40 and D40x, for example. Costco all but sold out
    of some of the popular kits for these cameras during the Christmas
    rush. However, they probably will not be replaced immediately -- next
    summer most likely, IMHO. I predict that Nikon will introduce a new
    entry level DSLR with features such as Live View and sensor cleaning,
    probably 10 or 12 megapixels, within, oh, eight months. You all heard
    it here first. Now everyone on the group will free to mock me when I am
    proven wrong. :) Will it make me hide my head in shame? Not on your
    life. I will simply make more bad predictions. Some of them will be
    right, of course, and I will trumpet these all over the place. :)
     
    C J Campbell, Dec 28, 2007
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  3. Sosumi

    Tony Polson Guest



    .... because Canon don't allow their high-end professional products to
    be sold through low-rent consumer outlets like Pixmania.

    Only an inexperienced novice would buy a DSLR from Pixmania.

    There is no professional advice available, no expertise, no
    after-sales service, no printed user manuals in your own language
    unless you are very lucky. And the prices are no longer low, not
    since Pixmania was bought by the British DSG Group, well known for its
    uncompetitive prices and chronically poor customer service.

    Only an inexperienced novice would buy a DSLR from Pixmania.
     
    Tony Polson, Dec 28, 2007
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  4. That doesn't quite equate to D300 sold out in Europe though does it?
    There's still stock in store fronts in the UK. ALso I can't imagine
    anyone wanting to buy such a piece of kit from such a piece of shit
    company.
    I think you're reading too much into all of this

    Doc (a more than happy D50 user)
     
    Dr Hfuhruhurr, Dec 28, 2007
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  5. Sosumi

    Ali Guest

    Absolutely. Competition from Nikon is good and to be honest, although I'm a
    Canon user, I like some of the features of the recent Nikon bodies over
    Canon.

    I don't think that the D3 will compete with the 1Ds Mk-III, but Nikon will
    certainly be snapping up (excuse the pun) 5D users and maybe some 1D-Mk-III
    users too. Especially those who came from Nikon film backgrounds.
     
    Ali, Dec 28, 2007
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  6. Sosumi

    Tony Polson Guest


    As a former Nikon film user, with a very heavy investment in Nikon
    camera bodies, lenses and flash equipment, I eventually changed to
    Canon DSLRs with the purchase of two 5D bodies.

    The D3 holds no attractions for me. For the cost of one D3 body I
    could replace both my 5D bodies and still have money to spare for a
    Canon L lens.

    And what would I gain? The 5D bodies give me excellent resolution and
    adequate dynamic range. They give good compatibility with my
    excellent Leica R and Carl Zeiss (for Contax) lenses used with
    adapters, and you cannot fit those lenses to a Nikon F mount.

    They 5D bodies are reliable and, once they were correctly calibrated
    for accurate focusing with my Canon zoom lenses, they haven't let me
    down. They are light and relatively compact and handle well.

    Apart from the huge price tag, the D3 is bulky and heavy. It is a
    very good thing that I could not afford two D3 bodies, because there
    is no way I could carry the weight!

    There are advantages in terms of lower noise than the 5D at the
    highest ISOs, and I do prefer Nikon's control layout and handling, but
    that is about all.

    So please tell me, why on earth would Canon EOS 5D owners change to
    the much heavier, bulkier and very much more expensive Nikon D3, even
    if they had previously been Nikon film users?

    I can understand why a number of disillusioned Canon EOS 1D Mk III
    users might be tempted by the D3, but I think that number would be
    very small. When Canon completes the 1D Mk III recall and is
    supplying bodies that work as they should, you won't be getting any
    complaints. And the owners of those bodies will have far too much
    money tied up in Canon lenses and accessories to liquidate the whole
    lot and make a very expensive change to Nikon.

    In any case, Canon has some very interesting new DSLRs to come and
    Nikon's spell of riding high with the D3 will be brief. These DSLRs
    have been almost production-ready for some time now, and the timing of
    their release is entirely a matter for the marketing department.
     
    Tony Polson, Dec 28, 2007
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  7. Sosumi

    TH O Guest

    Uummm, because early reports say it has much better image quality than
    the 5D ...

    Isn't that the reason *you* switched to the 5D?
     
    TH O, Dec 28, 2007
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  8. Sosumi

    Pboud Guest

    <translation of snipped section>

    "Thanks for this break in the holy war, but you're breaking my stride...
    Nikon sucks, Canon rules, and there's nothing you can say that will
    change my mind..."

    </translation of snipped section>


    Happy New Year..
     
    Pboud, Dec 28, 2007
    #28
  9. Sosumi

    RichA Guest

    Same reason you jumped ship from Nikon to Canon back when: QUALITY.
    Only in this case, you'd be going for build and function quality
    instead of just image quality.
    The 5D, according to a few reviewers provides similar quality to the
    40D, which today is "middle of the pack."
    If you are up against some pro with the Nikon, like Nikon shooters
    found in the 1990s, you'll be at a disadvantage.
     
    RichA, Dec 29, 2007
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  10. Sosumi

    Ali Guest

    Don't get me wrong, I am not jumping ship from Canon, because I like their
    lens range, although I must admit I am interested to see what the 5D
    replacement will have to offer. Either way, I know there are people out
    there who are 'Die Hard' Nikon fans and have been waiting for a Nikon full
    frame body. There is no doubt that they will be seriously tempted,
    especially our Japanese friends.

    The D3 for example offers ISO 6400, 14bit colours, 51 point focus system and
    a high frame rate on a full frame body. It currently sits in no mans land
    compared to the Canon range, and maybe that's pretty desirable for some.
    Afterall, the 5D frame rate is pretty poor, although it won't concern studio
    photographers so much. The 1D MK-III frame rate is top notch and the APS-H
    sensor size creates an advantage for some, because the cropped sensor gives
    that little bit more focal length equivelent, but the 'L' lenses (mainly
    wide angle and primes) aren't really designed for it, they were designed for
    full frame. So these particular lenses fall into no mans land for the 1D
    MK-III. The 1Ds Mk-III is well, in a category of it's own.

    BTW, I totally agree with your post, I can't really disagree with anything
    that you said. So, will be interesting to see what the 5D replacement has
    to offer when it's released at Photokina or PMA. My guess, PMA, but who
    knows.
     
    Ali, Dec 29, 2007
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  11. Sosumi

    RichA Guest

    Those too stupid to buy into medium format when they hit 20+
    megapixels.
     
    RichA, Dec 30, 2007
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  12. I'm as stupid as that. Are you willing to explain why?
     
    Chris Malcolm, Dec 30, 2007
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  13. I'm writing that down on the calendar. ;-)

    Absolutely! When I was a lot younger (and at least somewhat more foolish) I
    subscribed to a stock market newsletter that did exactly that. The
    writer/publisher was hugely successful, though I doubt he actually made any
    money by following his own investment advice. The trick, I eventually
    figured out, is to make lots and lots of predictions, conflicting ones being
    perfectly all right, then later advertise the ones that turned out correct
    and never mention the other 98%. This makes you look like a genius.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Dec 30, 2007
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  14. Sosumi

    Ali Guest

    Or maybe just those who are moving with times. Just out of interest, how
    much are decent medium format bodies/digital backs to buy and what are their
    advantages?

    .... and then, there was a long silence, only to be momentarily interrupted
    by a gentle breeze in the air followed by the movement of tumbleweed, as it
    passed on by to an unknown destination.
     
    Ali, Dec 30, 2007
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  15. Sosumi

    Rebecca Ore Guest

    Medium format back start at around $7,000 (Mamiya) and up. Hasselblad
    made a relatively cheap one (circa $10,000) for its V (500, 501, etc)
    series cameras. A full rig new model Hasselblad with back and lenses
    would be circa $30K.

    Most of the people who have this level gear are either wealthy or making
    a living shooting with it and have clients who pay to get the files.

    Better than 35 equivalent DSLRs for the same reason that a full 35 mm
    equivalent camera is better than a point and shoot: more real estate
    behind the lens is always better than less.

    Question becomes "Do you need that much better?"
     
    Rebecca Ore, Dec 31, 2007
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  16. Sosumi

    Ali Guest

    Question becomes "Do you need that much better?"

    Good conclusion. Although, going a bit more off topic, of course someone
    taking photos for billboards and truck wraps, will not be happy until people
    can stand one foot away and get a sharp image.
     
    Ali, Dec 31, 2007
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  17. Sosumi

    RBrickston Guest

    What are you smoking? Pixelmania is offering the Canon EOS 5D:

    http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/canon/5/marque.html
     
    RBrickston, Jan 1, 2008
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  18. Sosumi

    ASAAR Guest

    And here in the USA, Radio Shack sells some of Canon's low end
    DSLRs, and no Nikon DSLRs at all. What does that demonstrate, other
    than buying a DSLR from RS is probably just as foolish as buying
    from Pixmania? Although I've never done business with Pixmania,
    I've seen many messages in this newsgroup from angry Pixmania
    customers, FWIW. For any given camera company you can probably
    demonstrate any conclusion or its opposite by carefully selecting
    the date that you check the availability of their cameras in stores.

    I prefer Nikon's DSLRs, but I sure wouldn't buy any from a store
    that stopped selling Canon DSLRs and switched to Nikon's unless
    their prices were amazingly low and the store has a better
    reputation than Pixmania has. Why patronize a business that may
    someday stop selling products that I prefer (which includes some of
    Canon's P&S models) in favor of products from Sigma, Samsung,
    Polaroid or Bell & Howell?
     
    ASAAR, Jan 1, 2008
    #38
  19. Which actually may have a totally different reason. In spring I went camera
    shopping and found many different brands at Fry's(*) except to my great
    surprise not a single Nikon. Neither dSLR nor compact nor any lens.
    When asked the clerk told me that Fry's is not an authorized Nikon dealer.
    Maybe Nikon is selectiv about whom they contract with as a retail dealer.

    (*): I wasn't going to buy there, but it was as godd as any other place to
    check the touch and feel of different cameras.

    jue
     
    Jürgen Exner, Jan 1, 2008
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