Nikon D40 or Canon eos400D?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Psst, Jan 16, 2007.

  1. Psst

    Psst Guest

    I have narrowed my choice down to these two. I'm not a professional
    photographer or anything,just a hobbyist. I have an Nikon F65 but i
    gather that its lens won't interchange with the D40? I have read a few
    reviews for both and sometimes i feel that reviews are being
    hypercritical especially as both of these models are not aimed at the
    professinoal market,

    jo
     
    Psst, Jan 16, 2007
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    Paul Giverin Guest

    The one D40 review I read said that it could not do auto exposure
    bracketing. I'm not a professional (I'm not even a gifted amateur) but
    bracketing is a feature that I use. If it were me I'd go for the EOS400D
    or possibly the Sony A100.
     
    Paul Giverin, Jan 16, 2007
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    Psst Guest

    Hmm,your more advanced than I becuase I dont know what auto exposure
    bracketing is!. Mind you,when i do find out,i might want to use it.
     
    Psst, Jan 16, 2007
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  4. There is a review of the D40 in the January issue of Prctical
    Photography if that can help you with your decision. I have been using
    an EOS350 for about eighteen months now and I have to say it is very
    good, the screen is a bit small on the back but it is larger on the 400.
    Quite a few reviwers say that they fond the EOS 350 and 400 too small
    but I have average sized hands and have never found the smallish size to
    be a problem. The 350 and presumably the 400 have a very short start up
    time which can be useful. I have printed shots from my 350 and had Boots
    make prints both with very good results.

    Most of the pictures on my website taken after June 2005 were taken with
    my 350, have a look see what you think ?

    http://chrispackman.fotopic.net

    Chris Packman
     
    Chris Packman, Jan 16, 2007
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    if Guest

    The camera takes a sequence of pics with different exposure compensations:
    e.g. -1, 0, +1 stop. Very handy when you need to shoot in a hurry as one of
    them will probably be near enough correct. Especially useful with all-auto
    cameras that don't do have very intelligent metering as it saves you
    faffing around with manual exposure compensation (except where the auto-
    metering is out by more than the bracketing range).

    Finer bracketing, e.g. +/- 1/3 stop is useful where you do have time to
    assess the metering but can't critically examine the results until later
    due to limitations of (or lack of) LCD display (probably applies to most
    cameras at that degree of exactitude).
     
    if, Jan 16, 2007
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    Mark Dunn Guest

    IIRC Nikon have not changed their lens mount. The only question is which
    functions are retained and the magnification factor.
     
    Mark Dunn, Jan 16, 2007
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    chrisu Guest

    do you have any canon or nikon lenses - if so that may influence your
    choice.

    I have a canon 400 and think its great but if I'd had a load of nikon
    lenses i'd have probably bought a nikon.

    go look at and try both and see which suits. I have historically had
    conon so i stuck with them.

    --
     
    chrisu, Jan 16, 2007
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    harrogate3 Guest

    Wrong. Any Nikon D or G lens will work perfectly with any Nikon DSLR,
    and even many non-electrically coupled lenses will still work in
    manual exposure mode. If the F65 feels right ten so will the D40,
    albeit it is rather heavier.

    The only thing is that because of the size of the CCD (the clever bit
    that takes the photo) the focal length of any D or G lens is
    multiplied by about 1.5 times, so if you have the 28-85mm with the F65
    it will act like a lens something in the region of 40-120mm would on a
    35mm camera. If you go for the D40 or D80 (the latter is streets
    better if you can afford it) make sure you get the 18-70mm ED lens -
    it's a peach and knocks the 18-55mm supplied as standard with the EOS
    into oblivion.

    www.steves-digicams.com is always a good site for reference and for
    clear and relatively unbiased reviews.

    I have a D70s (from Nov 2005) with the 18-70mm (and use it with the
    28-100 off my F75, the Tokina 28-70 and Sigma 70-210 from my F501, and
    a Sigma 28-200mm APO from all of them) and I wouldn't swap it for
    anything - short of the D200 maybe!
     
    harrogate3, Jan 16, 2007
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  9. When you say "it's lens" i assume it's a Nikkor but which one? The thing I
    would watch out for with the D40 is that it will only accept the af-s
    Nikkors which rules out a lot of their excellent lenses like the 50mm/1.4 AF
    D, 85mm/1.4 AF D etc which a lot of film shooters will already own.

    cheers adrian www.boliston.co.uk
     
    Adrian Boliston, Jan 17, 2007
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    Psst Guest

    I seem to recall a recent review which pointed toward a "missing" pin
    on the mount of the new D40. Its something to do with AF i think.
    Apparent the only lenses that give full function on the 40 are the
    newer ones. I have an F65 here with a Nikkor G mount lens and it
    appears that if i put that on the D40 ,the AF wouldnt work and id have
    to focus manually. I'm far from being an expert though !

    Im the OP BTW
     
    Psst, Jan 18, 2007
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    Trev Guest

    So look at the 70 or 80
    the 40 is a budget model. though very good
     
    Trev, Jan 18, 2007
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    Psst Guest

    Thanks for the feedback people,well im looking at my trusty F65 now
    and the lens is a Nikon AF Nikkor 28-100mm 1:3.5-5.6 G.

    Having had a look at the Nikon support website
    http://www.europe-nikon.com/flashmap/support.html

    It appears that AF-G lenses do not support autofocus on the D40. Maybe
    a D50 is an option. I would prefer to stay Nikon.
     
    Psst, Jan 18, 2007
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    Tony Polson Guest


    You have it exactly right.

    The original AF Nikkors had what is often called a "screwdriver drive"
    for autofocus with a motor in the camera body and a mechanical linkage
    that ran through the lens mount.

    Later AF Nikkors have a motor in each lens, in the same way that the
    Canon EF lenses for the EOS system always have had. Nikon calls these
    lenses "AF-S", although there was also an earlier series of lenses
    with motors in them called "AF-I".

    Both AF-S and AF-I lenses work on the D40. With AF Nikkors that don't
    have a built-in motor, the D40 will provide every operational feature
    except autofocus. So you would have to focus your G mount lens
    manually, although everything else (metering and auto exposure modes)
    would work perfectly.

    The reason for omitting the focusing motor from the D40 body is so
    that it can be made smaller, lighter and cheaper, all of which will
    please the target market for the camera. Buyers will find a good
    selection of AF-S Nikkors that will work perfectly on the D40.

    There is a risk of alienating existing Nikon customers seeking to
    change from film to digital using their non-AF-S Nikkors, and some
    digital users who might choose the D40 as a second body. But Nikon
    have obviously decided that the benefits to the target market are of
    greater value than the disbenefits to a smaller number of existing
    Nikon users.

    The D40 is a fine camera for people new to DSLRs and is an excellent
    second body to Nikon users with AF-S lenses. The D40 may also be a
    good choice as a second body for owners of non-AF-S lenses who are
    prepared to focus manually, but it would be a good idea for them to
    try the camera before buying.
     
    Tony Polson, Jan 18, 2007
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    Mark Dunn Guest

    I'd consider it quite a bonus
    to be deprived of auto-focus!
     
    Mark Dunn, Jan 18, 2007
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    harrogate3 Guest

    Get the D70s if you can - it cost me £759 in 11/05 and it's now down
    to less than £500.

    Also check the D80 - you may find it is compatible with the AF-G
    lens - the D70s certainly is.
     
    harrogate3, Jan 18, 2007
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  16. The "G" bit simply means they have removed the aperture ring. This should
    not affect the D80 as it can use any lens that the D70s can use. The d80
    body generally sells for about £500 or just over so is pretty good value if
    you don't need the D200's ability to use AIS lenses.

    cheers adrian www.boliston.co.uk
     
    Adrian Boliston, Jan 18, 2007
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