Nikon D80.. (.NEF plug-in and other stuff...)

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by maya, Aug 7, 2007.

  1. maya

    maya Guest

    first of all, I don't know if everyone who was hanging out here last
    February is still here, but I want to thank everyone who helped me with
    my new Nikon D80 when I was in India last February.. I had been on a
    Nikon F2AS for about 30 years, so transition to digital has been a bit
    challenging, to say the least... I have lots of questions about the
    D80, have been putting together a list (example: why does camera have a
    hard time focusing when I switch to P shooting mode? (which I need to do
    sometimes when I need to do exposure compensation... why does exposure
    compensation work only in P mode? why can't I set White Balance in most
    modes? don't remember which ones right now (am at work, don't have
    camera with me now), but in most shooting modes White Balance is grayed
    out in menu..)

    main question I have now is: Photoshop CS2 won't open RAW (.NEF)
    files.. even after I installed plug-in
    (http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=2701&fileID=2537)
    followed instructions in PDF, put plug-in in right place...

    as promised back in February, my photos can be seen here,
    www.francesdelrio.com (although STILL have not posted all photos from
    India trip.. I just purchased a new machine, and just ordered my copy of
    PS.. was not able to do much PS-stuff on old machine..)
    http://www.francesdelrio.com/

    thank you very much...
     
    maya, Aug 7, 2007
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  2. get a canon eos 400d ;-)
     
    the_niner_nation, Aug 7, 2007
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  3. maya

    maya Guest

    oh really? so Photoshop cannot open photos taken in format RAW with a
    Nikon camera??????...;)
     
    maya, Aug 7, 2007
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  4. as far as i know, my neighbour has a nikon d80 and his adobe raw has no
    problems opening the nef files...im not sure, but maybe you need the adobe
    raw plug-in for it to work with cs2?

    did you upload any of your india pics when you visited? love to see them..i
    went this february..amazing place to take pictures.
     
    the_niner_nation, Aug 7, 2007
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  5. maya

    maya Guest

    yes, I did, as I mention in my OP.. www.francesdelrio.com... you also
    went in February? what part(s) of India did you visit?

    some of my India-photos didn't come out too good (too dark, not in
    focus, etc.. since I was literally inaugurating the camera when I was
    there and had never used a digital camera before.. so had to do a lot fo
    adj's in Photoshop..)

    as far as plug-in for .NEF: I did install plug-in at Adobe
    (http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=2701&fileID=2537)
    I followed instructions in .pdf that comes with the plug-in, but .NEF
    photos still won't open....:(

    well, am at work, at home don't have PS yet, as am on brand-new machine,
    ordered CS3 today, I hope this will solve problem (or it could make it
    worse.....;)

    thank you...
     
    maya, Aug 7, 2007
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  6. maya

    Mark Sieving Guest

    I don't have a D80, and I don't have CS2, but I do have a D40 and
    Photoshop Elements. The D40 came with a Nikon program called Picture
    Project, and when I installed that, it included the .NEF loader plug-
    in for Photoshop. I'm pretty sure the D80 also comes with Picure
    Project, so if you haven't installed that you might give it a try.
     
    Mark Sieving, Aug 7, 2007
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  7. maya

    gowanoh Guest

    1. Autofocus is the same regardless of shooting mode (P,M, A, S etc.).
    However it is easy to misunderstand how to use the multiple autofocus
    controls or to accidentally change them. Some lenses also have to be set
    correctly.
    2. You may be confused about exposure compensation: there is a function in
    the P mode that shifts the programmed settings slightly. Otherwise in all
    modes, using any form of autoexposure, there is the +/- exposure adjustment.
    There is also exposure adjustment available for the pop-up flash.
    3. If you shoot raw then you do not need to set white balance. That is one
    reason why shooting raw is preferable to JPEG.Make sure you are recording in
    Adobe RGB for best results shooting raw. However if you shoot raw you need
    to master basic image processing.
    4. When the D80 was first released it took Adobe about a month to upgrade
    their raw converter to work with the D80 in CS2. If you cannot open D80 nef
    files in your adobe converter then you do not have the current version or
    you installed it incorrectly. Adobe email support can be helpful, but not
    always. I have never understood why dSLR makers call all their raw files by
    the same three letter designation (e.g. ".nef") when they are not identical
    file types and require a program that reads a header in the file to know
    exactly what it is. We mortals assume all ".nef" files are the same, like
    ".exe".
    The D80, like every other dSLR I have seen, has too many options and menus
    for any human being to remember and mastering the basics can be frustrating,
    particularly since the manual is not always crystal clear. It may help to
    get a third party book about the D80 and work through all the various menu
    settings. When I travel I always carry some basic instructions because I can
    never remember all the obscure controls. If you shoot raw you don't have to
    bother reading about the myriad jpeg options.
     
    gowanoh, Aug 7, 2007
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  8. In the meantime, you could download Lightroom (adobe.com), use it to
    convert your RAW files (yes, in your case the .NEF files) to Photoshop
    after adjustments to the RAW files. The newer RAW processor in CS3 is
    similar to that in LR.
     
    John McWilliams, Aug 7, 2007
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  9. :
    : get a canon eos 400d ;-)

    Better not! Stick to that D80!!!!
    :
     

  10. I visited mumbai, jaipur, delhi,agra..only had 2 weeks though.

    I took my new canon 400d with me, awful photographs, but that was down to me
    not having a damn clue about knowing how to use a DSLR...my learning being
    that it's always a good idea to take a point & shoot as back up...so i did
    manage some great shots :)
     
    the_niner_nation, Aug 8, 2007
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  11. maya

    Jim Guest

    Photoshp CS2 RAW works fine will all Nikon Cameras. Do you have Nikon
    Capture or Nikon Catpure NX installed?


    Jim
     
    Jim, Aug 8, 2007
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  12. maya

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    One thing to look for on this matter is that the D80 (if it is
    like the D70 which I have) *does* change AF mode between Auto and
    Program. In particular, in Auto mode it selects the zone over the
    closest part of the area being photographed. In Program mode, however,
    depending on menu selections, it will either do the same auto-select, or
    it will simply keep the same zone as last used. In the D70, it is
    Menu selection 03 in the menu with the pencil icon and is called "

    "AF-area mode"

    which has the following selections:

    1) Single Area
    2) Dynamic Area
    3) Closest Subject

    The D70 has five zones -- arranged like this (use a fixed pitch font to
    avoid distortion):


    [ ]

    [ ] [ ] [ ]

    [ ]

    and it can be moved around by the "poker chip" control -- unless you
    have the switch below it labeled "L" set to the "L" position. This
    means that bumping the poker chip will move the zone, and you need to
    look into the viewfinder (after half-pressing the shutter relase) to see
    which zone it is in. If it happens to be on a zone away from your
    subject of interest, it will focus incorrectly. Whenever you
    half-press the shutter release, the selected zone should flash red for a
    moment -- perhaps depending on some menu settings which I haven't
    re-visited since the camera was new. :)

    Note that the D80 may have more zones (since it is a newer
    camera, but the basic principle should remain the same.

    Good Luck,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Aug 8, 2007
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  13. maya

    maya Guest

    thank you all very much for your responses.. so I guess bottom line is
    I need to try Lightroom, Picture Project, or some other imaging sw of
    that sort.. I have been using PS exclusively as an image-processing
    program for about 12 years now, and I'm not sure how easily I would
    "adapt" to some other programs, but am definitely looking into it (yes,
    I do know image processing quite well...) I already have Lightroom
    installed, and have been slowly delving into it.. it's so different from
    what I'm used to (you can't just OPEN images, you have to import them..
    etc.. I hate the levels thing in Lightroom.. and for some odd reason
    am having a hard time with 'undo' function, history feature doesn't work
    like in Photoshop..)

    so you don't need to set White-Balance with RAW format (how does camera
    know what lighting situation you're in? particularly indoor lighting?)
    and what other advantages are there to shooting RAW? b/c the images are
    very large and well, this thing that I can't open them with Photoshop is
    a bit of a pain... (one poster suggested recording to "Adobe RGB", but
    I can't find where you set this in menu..)

    thank you very much....


     
    maya, Aug 8, 2007
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  14. maya

    Paul Furman Guest

    The OP talked about using various modes... I simply shoot in Aperture
    priority mode, then I know what I'm getting. The OP is used to film
    cameras and can presumably handle this approach just fine.
     
    Paul Furman, Aug 8, 2007
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  15. maya

    Paul Furman Guest

    You said you've ordered CS3, that'll work. I open raw D200 files with
    CS3 but it takes some fiddling with versions & DNG conversions, anyways
    you are all set with CS3.
    White balance is easily changed with raw files, but you can do a custom
    white balance on the D200 pretty easy with a little study of the manual
    shooting a white card. The auto WB is pretty good and if not raw files
    make it easy to apply a new WB to a whole set of images.
    Again, this doesn't matter with raw files. Download a pdf version of the
    manual so you can search by keyword. It's called color mode as I recall.
     
    Paul Furman, Aug 8, 2007
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  16. maya

    maya Guest

    thank you very much.. what's url for the manual? I've seen it in this
    ng before, I saved it once (by emailing it to myself, but have not been
    able to successfully retrieve email profile from other machine..)

    thank you..
     
    maya, Aug 8, 2007
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  17. maya

    Paul Furman Guest

    www.nikonusa.com/pdf/manuals/noprint/D80_noprint.pdf
     
    Paul Furman, Aug 8, 2007
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  18. maya

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    Since I use unix based systems, I have no experience in either
    CS3 or Lightroom, so I'll skip over that.

    [ ... ]

    It analyzes what it sees and makes an educated guess if you have
    it in auto white balance. (But this only has an effect on the JPEGs
    anyway -- there is *no* white balance correction in the RAW -- that is
    all up to what you do with your computer software.) Though in some
    systems it is possible to pick up what the camera *would* have used for
    white balance -- which is stored somewhere in the image file.

    However -- I mentioned that it makes an educated guess?
    Sometimes that guess can be very wrong -- if there is a strong color
    cast to object -- the camera will try to "correct" it to something
    closer to white.
    Retaining *all* of the information that the camera sensor saw.
    Conversion to JPEG throws away information -- both dynamic range and
    fine detail. You still have to make similar conversions before
    printing, but you can control what gets thrown away -- and that can
    sometimes make very big difference in the quality of the image. Also,
    you can use something other than JPEG (which uses a lossy compression),
    so you keep more of the fine detail. (To see just how bad JPEG can be,
    take a B&W photo of detailed line drawings, convert it to JPEG, and then
    zoom into the image looking at where lines meet at other than 90 degree
    angles. (This includes tiny print, such as can be found in manuals for
    machine tools showing an exploded view.)

    Good Luck,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Aug 9, 2007
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  19. maya

    Stormlady Guest

    Sorry, don't know, I generally just use manual or aperture priority,
    however, I've used some exposure compensation in M mode just fine, and A too
    I thought.
    No idea, I've used it in M (and I think A) well enough.
    Sorry, also don't know, I actually don't shoot JPG any longer, just NEF/RAW
    so I don't really worry too much about it.

    don't remember which ones right now (am at work, don't have
    There is a button on the camera for changing white balance, rather easier
    than trying to do it through the menus. Just push it, and look in the LCD
    screen for the icon. Unless, of course, you are setting a specific temp of
    white balance.
    Maybe you need a newer version of camera RAW, there should be a "check for
    updates" somewhere in PS so it can check and download and install the newest
    version. When I installed PS2, it just found the updates and installed
    them. So far everything has been working great with the files from my D80.
     
    Stormlady, Aug 9, 2007
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  20. There is absolutely no problem opening and processing D80 NEF files
    with CS2 and the proper ACR. I have processed thousands of them using
    exactly that. Look elsewhere for the solution of the problem.
     
    Oliver Costich, Aug 9, 2007
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