Discussion in 'Nikon' started by ragland31, Jan 18, 2008.

  1. ragland31

    ragland31 Guest

    I went to Radioshack and got a substitution battery for LRFF alkaline.
    Except one problem; there is no exposure metering when I slightly
    advance the advancing level and I'm looking through the lense with
    lens cap off!! By this time I've opened and closed the battery slot at
    the bottom with a penny. But a penny is no longer good. I don't want
    these useless batteries sitting in my NIKON F10. I try other things;
    finally I have to RIP the thing off to get the batteries off! HA, HA,
    ROFLMAO. If the rest of this "machine" works as well as the batteries
    I'm in for sweet surprise.

    In a few days I'm going to test it to see if "it performs". If not
    then I will consider getting a used F3.

    Michael Ragland
    ragland31, Jan 18, 2008
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    Advocate54 Guest

    Moving from an F10 to an F3 is a quantum leap. You probably should have
    listened to those that advised you last week to avoid the F10.
    Advocate54, Jan 18, 2008
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    ragland31 Guest

    KEH's offers a BGN Nikon Manual Focus

    Is this an F3 camera? And what is one's experience with BGN?

    Michael Ragland

    p.s. Is this a totally manual camera or just manual focus?
    ragland31, Jan 18, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    BGN = Bargain condition meaning thrashed exterior and significant wear
    to critical components but still working, and all functions should be
    fine. You can return it if unhappy for the cost of 2-way shipping and
    hassle. I've bought three lenses in that condition, one was fine,
    another was really brutally thrashed though yes the glass was flawless
    but I returned it because I think it was dropped way too many times &
    out of alignment (not sharp) and just plain *horrible* looking. It might
    just mean some nasty cosmetics and works perfectly. The third one was in
    poor shape: rear cap won't tighten, focus ring stiff, beat up.. but
    glass was fine & pictures were fine and the price was cheap so I can't
    Paul Furman, Jan 18, 2008
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    Advocate54 Guest

    KEH's offers a BGN Nikon Manual Focus

    Is this an F3 camera? And what is one's experience with BGN?

    Michael Ragland

    p.s. Is this a totally manual camera or just manual focus?

    Manual focus with automatic setting...can be completely manual. The 24mm
    lens is probably not something you'd find particularly addition,
    I think the price is too high. You can find much better deals on a Nikon
    F3HP, probably half of what KEH is asking for this camera.
    Advocate54, Jan 18, 2008
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    ragland31 Guest

    Michael Ragland
    Where? EBAY? I don't trust EBAY.

    P.S. I repeat I want the best or one of the best COMPLETELY MANUAL
    camera out there. Is it hard to find? I think digital is not best for
    some beginners and that is why I'm sticking with film. Just in my

    Michael Ragland
    ragland31, Jan 20, 2008
  7. Unless you want to spend a fortune, that would be the Nikon F4.
    It has autofocus and auto exposure, but it also works fine
    in manual focus mode with both autofocus and manual focus
    lenses, has good manual metering, etc.

    The only bad part about it is that it does not have manual
    film advance.

    If you want to do it cheaply, get a Nikon 8008, which has
    good manual metering, a high-eypoint finder, interchangable
    focusing screens (in case you don't like the one it comes
    with) etc. It has beter metering with AF lenses, but it
    does meter as well as the F3 does with AIs and AI lenses.

    It lacks manual film advance and rewind. There
    are two models, the 8008 and 8008s, with the "s" having
    better and faster autofocus. Either can be had for
    very little money.

    KEH has "users" for as little as $21.

    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jan 20, 2008
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    Doug Jewell Guest

    Does it have to be Nikon?
    The Pentax LX has a fine reputation as a manual camera.
    Fully manual (although it will do aperture priority auto).
    Capable of operating without batteries (although obviously
    the metering doesn't work).
    Weather sealed.
    Optional winder.
    DOF preview.
    Mirror Lockup.
    Multiple Exposures.
    Off-The-Film metering (good for long exposure work).
    Doug Jewell, Jan 20, 2008
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    Advocate54 Guest

    Where? EBAY? I don't trust EBAY.

    P.S. I repeat I want the best or one of the best COMPLETELY MANUAL
    camera out there. Is it hard to find? I think digital is not best for
    some beginners and that is why I'm sticking with film. Just in my

    You don't have to trust ebay...but if you know what you are doing, it can be
    a safe place to get a good deal. I've never been stung in over 150

    Adorama sells on ebay.
    Advocate54, Jan 20, 2008
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    ragland31 Guest

    There are also so many choices! It's overwhelming. I recently saw the
    NIKON 35mm film F5 and it
    looks impressive; just as good as as the HP3. I saw B&H offerring a
    few used models. Body about
    $400.00 to $500.00. Then I need an autofocus lense since apparently
    this camera is autofocus. My
    hunch it is not totally manual but can be made manual. How do
    autofocus lenses works? I will check
    out Adorama plus Penn Exchange near where I live. I don't mind bells
    and whistles but I also want
    simplicity. I'm shooting some ISO color high definition film to see
    how it turns out. Does F5 comptatible
    with motorpak. I thought it could take 10 frames a shot. Ebay just
    takes mainly Pay Pal and I've
    never set up such an account; have always used credit card.

    Michael Ragland
    ragland31, Jan 20, 2008
  11. KEH has "users" from $400, too.

    When Nikon first made autofocus lenses, they copied the Minolta
    "look" with a very thin manual focusing ring on the front of the
    lens and a very range from closest focusing to inifinty.

    The lenses were not well received amoung professionals who wanted
    to use them both in manual and autofocus. Nikon changed the ergonomics
    of the lenses to a similar pattern to the older lenses.

    They are not exactly the same, the manual focus lenses use a
    helical focusing mechanism which was very expensive to make.
    The autofocus lenses us a rack an pinion mechanism similar
    to the steering on expensive cars. It was so much cheaper to
    manufacture that the equivalent autofocus lens was 30% cheaper
    than the manual focus one.

    Here is a photo of a new version 50mm f1.8

    Note that the focusing ring is large enough to use comfortably
    and looking at the other end of the lens, it has the necessary
    meter couplings to work with any AI type meter (1977 on),
    and what you can't see is that it is AIs, so it will work
    with manual focus cameras that require it.

    The F3, F4 and F5 and many of the autofocus cameras will
    meter with AI or AIs lenses, usually in very limited
    (center weighted) aperture priority and manual modes.

    The F3 and F4 will also meter in stopped down mode with
    pre-AI (made before mid 1977) lenses by pushing a little
    button on the coupling ring and pivoting the sensor pin
    out of the way. Not all lenses work, some protrude too
    far into the camera and can damage the electronic contacts.

    Considering we are talking about lenses that were made over
    30 years ago, it is probably a moot point.

    The F5 may also have the ability to move the sensor pin,
    I don't know.

    The actual autofocusing mechanism is in the camera, not the lens,
    so if you set the camera to manual focus, the lens focuses
    manualy. If you get a newer design lens (which almost all of
    them are) then it works just like a manual focus lens when
    in manual focus mode, but it won't be as stiff or likely
    to jam from age.

    I think that the only functions on the F5 that can not be made
    manual are film wind and rewind.

    Personally, I would buy a "user" 8008 from KEH and try it.
    It's a cheap investment and would give you a good feel
    how Nikon autofocus cameras work. If you like it, buy an
    F5 and keep the 8008 for a spare. If you don't buy an F3.

    Note that ISO is the name of a standards organization,
    in this case used to define the sensitivity of the film.
    The number after the ISO is the speed and is the important

    So if you say "100 speed color film" or "100 color film",
    we will understand that it is ISO 100 color film, but just saying
    ISO color film, leaves us wondering what it is. :)

    Since you are trying this to see if you like it, I would use
    the same film you are going to us normally in it.

    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jan 20, 2008
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    TH O Guest

    Amazing ... one of the best cameras of its generation is available for
    only $21. It's plastic but it is built like a tank.
    TH O, Jan 20, 2008
  13. Considering that Nikon dropped the high eyepoint finder on the
    N80, and the "5" generation (N75/N65/N55) it's still one of
    the best around.

    It takes AA batteries which are available almost anywhere batteries
    are sold.

    The autofocus is slow by modern standards and it does not have a
    built in flash, but I'm not sure either is a minus.

    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jan 20, 2008
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    ragland31 Guest

    ISO 400 KODAK HIGH DEFINITION FILM. I'm aware the slower the film the
    clear the photos are; the only down side using slower shutter speeds,
    perhaps a
    tripod. 400 ISO suppose to be granier since it is used in dim light.
    So I was curious
    about this "high definition" ISO KODAK 400 color film.

    Michael Ragland
    ragland31, Jan 20, 2008
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    Pudentame Guest

    FWIW, today's 400 ISO Hi-Def film is as "fine grained" as the 100 ISO
    films of yesterday.

    I generally de-rate it and set the camera to 320 ISO, and have gotten
    good results going as low as 250 ISO, but that's a matter of taste.
    Pudentame, Jan 20, 2008
  16. You don't need autofocus lenses if you own an F5. Most of my lenses are
    manual focus. I can either switch autofocus off, or leave it on, and use the
    little green indicator in the viewfinder to tell me when I am in focus. IOW,
    the autofocus still works, but you have to twist the lens focus ring
    manually. the camera will then tell you when you are focused through the
    viewfinder indicator.

    Also, the film can still be rewound manually on the F5. There is a little
    crank than can be deployed. I do this in order to save battery power unless
    I am in such a hurry that I am willing to spend battery power to get it
    rewound ASAP. Otherwise, I will crank it back into the canister by hand.

    At 4 to 5 hundred dollars, the F5 is one of the best buys in a film camera
    on the market today.
    William Graham, Jan 20, 2008
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