Nikon F4 vs Maxxum 7 or 9

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by bruce, Sep 1, 2003.

  1. bruce

    bruce Guest

    I may in the near future have enough money to buy
    either a Nikon F4 or Maxxum 7 or 9.
    The Nikon would be used, probly bought off of Ebay
    whereas the minolta would probly be brand new.
    Which way should I go and why?
    Bruce
     
    bruce, Sep 1, 2003
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    Joseph Kewfi Guest

    Your not buying a camera, you're buying into a system. When you decide which
    system you prefer then you'll have your answer.
     
    Joseph Kewfi, Sep 2, 2003
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    Kevin Guest

    Well you are dealing with two differnt types of cameras. I recently
    purchased an F4s with some extras. I loved it, and still love it. It
    offers everything I am looking for and it is rugged. I have all the
    lens availability I am looking for and it does everything I need to
    do, plus did I mention it i rugged. I recently went on a little slide
    down a hill. my camera came with me. I broke the lens and the second
    lens. the body escaped and is working well.

    I looked at the Maxxum 7 and 9 a few months ago. It had some nice
    fetures, but it did not feel right for me. Although the specs are
    great it just was not the camera for me. Just like the Nikon F100 is
    not the right one for me. I would take it ove the Maxxum, but not
    over the F4.

    Try them out and get the feel for them. Pending on where you are
    located take a trip to a store that has them. It would be worth it.
     
    Kevin, Sep 2, 2003
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    Ming Guest

    I would go for Maxxum 7.
    F4 is 1989 technology.

    Ming.
     
    Ming, Sep 2, 2003
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    Adam F Guest


    Old EOS-1 would give you more lens options than F4. F100 is much nicer than
    F4 imho but new price is close to maxxum 9, which is a seriously nice
    camera. So I reckon 2nd-hand F100 for nikon, EOS-1n for Canon or Max 9 from
    Minolta. The Max 9 should leave you enough change from $1000 to buy a
    stellar lens like a 100/2, but similar lenses from nikon and canon will set
    you back significantly more (mainly because of better resale).


    Adam F
     
    Adam F, Sep 2, 2003
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    Adam F Guest

    Actually forgot to mention the EOS-3, which I think is the best value in the
    Canon lineup. The maxxum 7 totally rocks for features (and when the 28-70
    and 70-200 SSM lenses are finally released it will be competitive there
    too - IS id too pricey for amateurs atm imho), but feels plasticky compared
    with the EOS3, F100 and Max.9. Then again, at $450 you have an extra ~$500
    to spend on lenses (which would buy you some really nice minolta glass on
    ebay).


    Adam F
     
    Adam F, Sep 2, 2003
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    Peter Guest

    How's that? The F4 takes about every Nikon lens made (including things
    like a 1200-1700mm zoom :) ).

    -peter
     
    Peter, Sep 2, 2003
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  8. So what. Based on technology you should get a digital SLR.
    The question here is, which of these cameras would cover the needs of
    Bruce.

    Bruce has to identify his needs to make up his mind.

    I would say, the F4 and the 9 are in the same league, the 7 is in a total
    different category.
    I love my 7, but for climbing I need a sturdy camera. That's the reason why
    I use a 9xi there. It's cheap and takes a lot of trashing.

    That would be my point, why I would take the 7:
    - It has some very cool features.
    - I love the back display, which shows me the state of each metercell.

    - The camera lies perfect in my hands.
    - The controllayout is IMHO thought through.
    - It's considerable lighter then the 9.
    - It takes great pictures... (or is it just me. =))
    - It's a great tool.

    What I miss on the 7:
    - it's not sturdy. I don't think it could handle my abuse when I'm
    climbing.

    Now about the 9:
    - it's sturdy. It could handle a lot of abuse.
    - gives you also great manual control of picture taking.
    - 100% viewfinder.

    Why I wouldn't take the 9:
    - It's just to expensive for me to trash it. If the price of the 9 would
    drop to 400-500 USD used, I wouldn't mind taking one. At the moment I'm
    content with the 9xi, which I can get for about that price.

    About the F4, I think somebody else has to write, since I don't know too
    much about that camera.
    But I think it would serve you also very well. It's sure a camera which
    could take a lot of abuse, but the F100 would do it too.

    As Joseph mentioned already, it's not only the camera you're buying, you're
    also buying the whole system. Here again, check you're needs!

    An other thing is, take the cameras in your hands, use it, test it, see if
    you can cope with the camera layout.

    See the camera as a tool! It has to be used. If it's too heavy, too big,
    too light, too small, too expensive, too complicated... and you leave the
    camera at home, then it's the wrong tool.

    -Lenny
     
    Leonhard Pang, Sep 2, 2003
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    T P Guest


    And exactly what difference does that make?
     
    T P, Sep 2, 2003
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    Peter Chant Guest

    But you can do that with most bodies. I've got an old ricoh KR-5 with
    broken meter you can do that with, except it is not a pro camera and the
    shutter jams occasionally.
     
    Peter Chant, Sep 2, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    "every?" --VR? "G"? (Maybe they fit, but don't "function"?)
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 3, 2003
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    Ming Guest

    Dear PSsquare,

    Hei, what model of Minolta did you use at work ? It is an old model ?
    I am using a Dynax 5 and I have found it very easy to use. May I ask
    you to tell us more about what gimmick and preprogrammed setting it is ?
    So that we can avoid that model.

    Ming.
     
    Ming, Sep 3, 2003
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    Ming Guest

    Difference are :

    More advanced ADI/wireless flash in 7.
    Back LCD with full information in 7.
    Film data recording in 7.
    9 point fast AF in 7.
    Selectable AF pint in 7. (85mm f1.4 has short DOF, I must use the AF point
    to point
    to the model's eye, I can't "recompose while holding the shutter button")
    Eye-start for my mother in 7.
    Pa/Ps shift when in P mode in 7.
    Many customizable functions in 7.

    But I admit that F4 is an excellent camera in its own right.

    Ming.
     
    Ming, Sep 3, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Bullshit! I have had two Minolta SLR's, have 6 lenses, have had 4
    others, I use the equipment a lot, and no failures except for a flash
    that died early, and Minolta repaired it for free althought the warranty
    was run out.
    At the pro run shop where I go, they see mainly Nikon mid-level SLR's on
    their repair shelf.
    Half a dozen folks at my photoclub have a range of Minolta SLR's (old
    manual and Maxxum) and nobody has ever had a failure of a lens or body.
    Science Fiction. The Maxxum 9 and 7 are as straightforeward as it gets.
    My old 7xi was inconvenient for some settings, they've cleared that up
    in the Maxxum 7.
    Yes, you are right about pros having pred. Canon and Nikon. That does
    not make Minolta a no-show. Pro's I know who are Nikon die-hards are
    floored by the capabilities and build of the Maxxum 9 and awed by the
    Maxxum 7 (but like me, do not like the plastic body of the 7). There
    are pros who use Minolta, but you are less likely to see them at the
    usual venues. Inter alia, Freeman Patterson is a Minolta shooter.

    In this thread the predominant weakness of the Minolta line has been the
    non appearance to date of a digital body. That is the only reason, IMO
    to not consider Minolta.

    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 3, 2003
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  15. VR and G lenses will fit and work on an F4. You won't be able to use
    the VR facilities and G lenses will only work in P, Ph or S mode but
    you'll still be able to take photos with them.

    Ronnie
     
    Ronnie Sellar, Sep 3, 2003
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    Peter Guest

    ABOUT every! The VR fit but work without VR, and the G lenses work only
    in P and S modes.

    -peter
     
    Peter, Sep 3, 2003
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    Bill Tuthill Guest

    Another reason is that one can't rent Minolta lenses, whereas high-end
    Canon and Nikon lenses (especially telephotos) are readily available
    for rental.
     
    Bill Tuthill, Sep 3, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    How many people do you know who rent high end lenses, even from time to
    time, who are not full time professionals?
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 3, 2003
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    Magnus W Guest

    (Leonhard Pang) wrote in
    I have both the 9xi and the 9, and I imagine I could beat the living
    daylights out of the 9xi /with/ the 9 without the latter taking any damage.
    Nothing wrong with the 9xi, it's tough, but the 9 is a /very/ serious piece
    of gear. It's pretty much untrashable ;-)
     
    Magnus W, Sep 3, 2003
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    Bill Tuthill Guest

    Seven (7). I would have rented a Minolta 400/4.5 G if available, just
    to try out bird photography. But I never liked birds enough to pay $1800
    to own such a lens. And if I'm going to be paying that much for a lens,
    I might as well switch to Canon and get image stabilization.
     
    Bill Tuthill, Sep 4, 2003
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