Nikon F5 and wasted frames

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Sam645, Sep 30, 2003.

  1. Sam645

    Sam645 Guest

    Recently having a problem with my F5 wasting
    the last two frames of each roll. It seems that it
    wasn't doing this, before. When I get to the end
    of a roll, it stops advancing, as it should. Yet,
    I've had a number of rolls come back where the last
    two frames are totally black, as if they were never
    exposed. It's as if it is sensing the end, when there's actually
    a couple of frames left.
    Have any other F5 owners experienced this?
    Makes me miss the old, tried and true, manual advance/rewind.


    Steve Mc
    Sam645, Sep 30, 2003
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  2. I can't speak for your F5, but I can make one suggestion. Back in the
    days when I worked photo retail, I often heard complaints from customers who
    prided themselves on getting more than 36 images on a 36 roll. They
    complained when in image was damaged or not properly printed in processing.
    My answer to them was simple. You bought a 36 exposure roll. You got 36
    exposures. The rest of the roll is there not for you, but for the
    protection of the 36 exposures. The first few extra exposures you might get
    are their in part to provide some light shield for the remainder of the
    roll. Both the beginning and the end extra length are there for the
    processor and their needs.

    My advice is don't try to get extra exposures on a roll unless you
    really don't care about them. If you don't care about them, why waste your
    time taking them. Film is the lest expensive part of photography.

    Sorry if this does not apply to your situation, but I can't really tell
    from the message if you are getting the 36 expected images, or maybe you are
    home rolling them so you may have odd lengths.

    I might add that I have seen some autowind cameras detect the end of
    roll early. It has been my experience that it may be the fault of either
    the film or the camera. I have also seen the opposite where the camera
    fails to sense the end of the roll (more common on manual wind) and either
    tears out sprocket holes or pulls the film off the end of the roll. Given a
    choice of the two I would prefer it to be a little extra sensitive.
    Joseph Meehan, Sep 30, 2003
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  3. Sam645

    Bhup Guest

    With the old manual cameras You can feel if ithe end of the roll.. with the
    auto wind you want to stop before the film gets ripped off the spool.. hence
    the tolerance. can u imagine shooting at 5 frames per second and hitting the
    end of the roll at speed and they losing all roll as its been torn off the
    spool. Justa thought try setting the shutter to single frame shots not L or
    Bhup, Sep 30, 2003
  4. Have a look at your custom setting where you can customise the advance
    function to stop at frame 36. I can't remember exactly which custom
    function number it is but you can basically instruct an F5 to stop
    advancing at 36, 37 or when the motor can't go forward anymore.

    Christopher Yeung, Sep 30, 2003
  5. My F5 advances frames until the film won't advance... I normally get 36 or
    37 shots on the film brands I use mostly... I agree that he needs to look
    into his menu and change the end of roll setting to mechanical stoppage...
    There is a faint possibility is that his battery set has low voltage and the
    camera is sensing the rising current draw by the motor as the end of roll
    when the film cartridge begins to drag a bit but hasn't gone taut yet...
    Something to consider if the end of roll setting is for stoppage as opposed
    to frame count...
    Dennis O'Connor, Sep 30, 2003
  6. I do not, repeat do not, miss my manual advance/rewind/focus cameras... When
    I do get all nostalgic and drag the OM gear out of the cabinet about three
    shots into the roll I remember why it was I dropped over 4 grand the day
    after the F5 came out...
    Dennis O'Connor, Sep 30, 2003
  7. Sam645

    CarSalesman Guest

    Sounds like you've got Custom Function #12 set by mistake.
    If its showing E35 or E36, change it back to "0".

    don ferrario
    CarSalesman, Oct 1, 2003
  8. Mine always gives me 37 shots on a roll...I have wondered, however, how it
    knows when the end of the roll has been reached...Does it sense resistence?
    or does it do it simply by keeping count? The answer to this question might
    give you some hint as to what's wrong....If it senses resistence, then
    perhaps you have something stuck in there that causes a resistence when near
    the end....Perhaps the take up spool is rubbing against the side of its
    chamber, for instance......
    William Graham, Oct 1, 2003
  9. Sam645

    Dallas Guest

    I don't remember having problems with not getting the last two frames to
    expose, but I do remember battling to get the thing to rewind at all when
    I had an F5. It was quite a clunky interface.
    Dallas, Oct 1, 2003
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    Peter Chant Guest

    How would it know whether you had a 24 or 36 roll of film if it did not sense
    Peter Chant, Oct 1, 2003
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    John Miller Guest

    From the DX coding.

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    Alan Browne Guest

    end of roll, regardless of length should have about the same
    resisitance, no? So if there was something wrong, the camera might get

    My camera (not F5) counts the frames per the DX code. So I never get 37
    (damnit). But on those "short-short" rolls (Kodak 8 frames) I will get
    9 exposures as there is no DX code for 8 frame rolls. It seems to sense
    somthing to cause it to rewind...

    Alan Browne, Oct 1, 2003
  13. Hmmm... Maybe someone had been into the custom functions to accidentally
    disable the rewind function... Nikon put covers over the two switches to
    stop unintentional rewinds...
    Dennis O'Connor, Oct 1, 2003
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    Peter Chant Guest

    Oh, I always assumed that DX coding only gave the film speed.
    Peter Chant, Oct 2, 2003
  15. Sam645

    Mxsmanic Guest

    By the DX encoding, although the F5 does not read that part of the DX
    Mxsmanic, Oct 2, 2003
  16. I rewind mine by hand...(With the little crank)....Somehow, it makes me
    think that I am operating an old manual camera....:^) Actually, I do it to
    save battery power....If I was in a big hurry, I would use the auto rewind
    capability....But this doesn't address the problem of wasting a couple of
    pictures per roll...Unfortunately, the F5 doesn't have a forward
    William Graham, Oct 2, 2003
  17. Ah! - A brilliant observation....You wouldn't, unless the film canister
    included that information in the DX coding, which it doesn't as far as I
    know......So the problem must be in the sensitivity of the resistence
    measuring mechanism in the camera, or there might be some dirt or foreign
    object in the film compartments that is artificially increasing that
    William Graham, Oct 2, 2003
  18. The F5 must sense resistance. I have on occasion removed a partly used
    roll and put it back with some frames skipped. It never fails to
    detect the end of the roll.

    Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

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    Rodney Myrvaagnes, Oct 2, 2003
  19. So did I....But it makes sense to include other information in the coding,
    such as film type, number of frames, and perhaps the date of the
    film.......So when future cameras are built, they can make use of this
    William Graham, Oct 2, 2003
  20. Sam645

    T P Guest

    The DX system can give so much more, including the number of frames on
    a roll and the exposure latitude of the film.

    Not all of this information is used on every film, and not all cameras
    can read, interpret and act on all the information. For example, most
    point and shoot cameras read only the film ISO rating.
    T P, Oct 2, 2003
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