Nikon full frame sensor SRL

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by massimo, Oct 3, 2005.

  1. massimo

    massimo Guest

    news about a full frame sensor Nikon SRL ???
    ml
     
    massimo, Oct 3, 2005
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  2. As I understand it, Nikon has explicitly stated that they will not be
    releasing a full-frame DSLR.

    If they do, everyone will be surprised.

    Until they do, the Nikon fans will continue to vociferously promote and
    defend the insanely illogical idea that smaller sensors are better than
    larger sensors.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 3, 2005
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  3. You mean SLR, by the way.

    I hear rumours that Nikon are preparing two new (non-SLR?) cameras based
    on the APS-sized chip used in the new Sony R1 camera.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Oct 3, 2005
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  4. massimo

    Kinon O'Cann Guest

    Not going to happen...

    If you want FF, sell the Nikon gear and buy Canon. It's the only choice.
    Which may explain the $3K price for the 5D.
     
    Kinon O'Cann, Oct 3, 2005
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  5. What, never?

    Rarely are companies so open about their planned demise, and never is a
    very long time. ;-)
     
    Kennedy McEwen, Oct 4, 2005
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  6. Well, hardly ever.

    But note that I didn't specify a time frame, and the normal inference from
    that syntactic construction sees it as including an implicit "in the
    immediately forseeable future".
    Well, that's why I said, in the part that you snipped, that everyone will be
    surprised if it happens, although perhaps that "if" ought to have been a
    "when"<g>.

    At one point, I seem to remember, Canon announced that they wouldn't be
    making digital-only lenses...

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 4, 2005
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  7. massimo

    Rich Guest

    Or, keep your higher than Canon quality Nikon lenses and go find a
    Kodak DSLR.
    -Rich
     
    Rich, Oct 4, 2005
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  8. Personally, I would have been surprised *if* it happened before Nikon
    ditched CCDs, but not surprised *when* it happens now that they have.
    ;-)
     
    Kennedy McEwen, Oct 4, 2005
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  9. Ah, but you're not 'everyone'. 'Everyone' means the Nikonistas who
    vociferously claim that a smaller sensor has to be better and we Canonistas
    who are having fun making fun of the Nikonistas' logically untenable
    position.

    I'd love to see Nikon do full-frame: it'll force Canon to work even harder
    and bring the prices down, and the frantic backpedaling of the Nikonistas
    will be hilarious.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 4, 2005
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  10. massimo

    BillyBob Guest

    I am not trying to start a religious war of FF vs APS size sensors but it is
    not just he sensor size that determines the image quality - as I understand
    it extreme wide angle lenses function better with a smaller sensor since the
    light hits the sensor more directly than it would on a FF - The camera
    "system" as a whole needs to be optimized for the highest image quality.

    As a side note APS vs FF vs large format sensor makes no difference if there
    is an idiot behind the camera taking the picture - a crappy picture is still
    a crappy picture no matter what equipment it was taken with. . .

    BB
     
    BillyBob, Oct 4, 2005
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  11. As I've repeated a zillion times before: these are SLRs, and all wide angle
    lenses are retrofocus lense, since they have to clear the mirror. The rear
    element is a long way from the sensor, and the angles of incidence are
    simply not a problem. People are getting great images from the Stigma 12-24
    and 15-30. It's just not a problem.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 4, 2005
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  12. Personally, I think Nikon will introduce a FF 35mm digital SLR when increasing
    the pixel desity on (APS-C) sensors (or improving them in other ways) is no
    longer an option.

    If Nikon thinks they can manage 16 or 20 Mpixel APS-C sensors, then the
    next generations are likely to be APS-C. The same applies to sensitivity
    improvements.
     
    Philip Homburg, Oct 4, 2005
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    Kinon O'Cann Guest

    I tried one. They're horrible. Under the right conditions you can produce
    nice images, but for many of us, conditions aren't always right. Slow AF,
    big clumsy body, and incredible moire on many photos. I sent it back.
     
    Kinon O'Cann, Oct 4, 2005
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  14. massimo

    Father Kodak Guest

    No one will be surprised, certainly not Canon, nor Kodak, and not me.
    The only questions are when and how much.

    "never" is a marketing code word for "not yet". Everyone by now has
    learned about pre-announcements and "doing an osborne." Any reader of
    this posting not part of "everyone" can learn about it here:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/03/25/portable_computer_pioneer_adam_osborne/

    or many other postings that Google will identify for you.
    All this idle chatter about "us vs. them" is just a waste of Usenet
    bandwidth and our precious bodily fluids.
    Littleboy-san,

    Instead of this, how about taking a stroll down to the Yodobashi or
    Sakura store, and asking the shop clerks what they have heard, or
    think. THAT would be useful. Or maybe Nikon House on Ginza.

    Pere Kodak
     
    Father Kodak, Oct 7, 2005
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  15. No, it wouldn't be useful. I've done all that a lot, and one only gets the
    official story. Sheesh, I called Fuji about a week before they discontinued
    the GSW690III, and the engineer sounded honestly surprised that such a rumor
    would be flying...

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 7, 2005
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    Jim Guest

    And when is Canon going to offer a full fame (ie. 2 1/4 x 2 1/4) sensor?
    or from the reference point of a 4x5 camera, when is anyone going to
    produce a 4x5 digiital back? :)
     
    Jim, Oct 7, 2005
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  17. Wimp! I want the 20x24 camera Adams used to photograph President Carter.

    (The 40x72 camera Polaroid built into the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston is a
    tad lacking in portability<g>.)

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 7, 2005
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    Neil Ellwood Guest

    Why would we need that, I will be content to emulate Yousuf Karsh with his
    10" x 12" plates. :)
     
    Neil Ellwood, Oct 7, 2005
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  19. You may mock, but some time ago I was seriously pondering the
    possibility of trying to fit a small flatbed scanner to the 5x4 portal
    of one of my Ultraphots (which, for those who have never heard of them,
    is a large Zeiss photomicroscope from the 1970s which has facilities for
    35mm or 5x4 photography).

    On reflection, I realised that the resolution of my EOS 10D was
    comfortably exceeding the theoretical resolution from the microscope
    objectives; I concluded that using a scanner would be massively
    oversampling (and may not have the dynamic range) and probably wasn't
    worth the effort.

    David
     
    David Littlewood, Oct 8, 2005
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    Marli Guest

    Why are the corners so dark then??


     
    Marli, Oct 8, 2005
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