Nikon Micro Nikkor 105mm f/2.8 VR vs. Micro Nikkor 105mm f/2.8D

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jun 17, 2006.

  1. After using the new Micro Nikkor 105mm f/2.8 VR for almost two weeks and
    pitting it against the tried and true classic Micro Nikkor 105mm f/2.8D I
    came to the following conclusions. For me, I like both equally well and
    would never part with either one.

    From an optical standpoint I'm not 100% convinced yet that the newer VR is
    any better. I can see slightly better bokeh in the newer one in certain
    situations, but this is highly subjective on my part. The AF on the new VR
    version is awesome and lightning fast compared to the older model. This is
    great since the 105mm f/2.8D Micro would take a bit more time "hunting" in
    some circumstances. The VR works great at longer distances and diminishes on
    close macro shots, which is to be expected. For close-ups and macros the AF
    on the new model is much better and quickly locks in. For all my close-up
    macro shots I use manual focus so either lens is equally suited to the task.

    And if you are wondering how the AF performs on this lens with the TC-20E
    II, it does work OK. The speed is a bit slower, which we expected anyway.
    And surprisingly the AF does function on this combination up to f/9. If I
    get a real close focus it will stop at f/9 and not recover. The AF is
    basically working as it should and will recover up to f/8. So, don't be
    afraid to use a TC with this lens since the only time you'll experience this
    problem is when the subject is about 6" in front of the lens.

    As for having to do it over again, that's a real tough call since both
    lenses are magnificent and either one won't disappoint you. If you shoot a
    lot of portraiture than the newer VR version is slightly better with bokeh
    (subjective) and the AF is quicker. Really, other than that it really boils
    down to your shooting style. If your needs are for a lens for really close
    up macros and nothing more I would consider a mint condition used 105mm
    f/2.8D Micro on the market for an exceptional price and I would recommend
    going that route instead of the latest and greatest. The bottom line if you
    are starting out new in macro I would suggest you go with what you can
    afford.





    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jun 17, 2006
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  2. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    ttdaomd Guest

    Interesting post. I have an older 105 AF 2.8 non-D and do a lot of
    portraiture. I have been considering upgrading to this VR version. I
    wonder if you tried the VR hand-held or on a tripod (on or off)? Does
    the VR help say hand-held at 1/125 second? 1/250 second?

    Tien
     
    ttdaomd, Jun 17, 2006
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  3. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Alan Browne Guest

    It's unlikely to be better as the addition of the VR adds more glass to
    the lens and hence increases the optical deficiencies. OTOH, for hand
    held shooting it will obviously be better than the non VR lens at all
    but the fastest shutter speeds.

    OTOOH, IIRC the VR lens has a different glass formulation (not sure if
    it's all elements) that possibly compensates a bit for the losses in the VR.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 17, 2006
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  4. Yes, I used it with VR (ON) handheld and VR (OFF) when on a tripod. The VR
    works great under normal use and at 1/125 and 1/250th it is really hard to
    tell. VR for the 1:1 macros really isn't practical since, at least for my
    handheld shooting style, my images occasionally suffer from the same IN-OUT
    movement as the non-VR version instead of up-down-left-right movements where
    VR is more practical.







    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jun 18, 2006
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  5. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    ttdaomd Guest

    Thanks for your answer. Considering I would be using this for
    portraiture in a non-studio setting, I doubt the VR option would be
    very useful. Even if it reduced camera movement at 1/60s or 1/30s, my
    subject`s movement would come into play at those speeds. I was hoping
    that it could improve images at my usual hand-held 1/125s or 1/250s
    speeds.

    Tien
     
    ttdaomd, Jun 18, 2006
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  6. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Joan Guest

    Don't discount VR on those grounds. I've found that the 18-200 VR can
    track a moving object.

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    Thanks for your answer. Considering I would be using this for
    portraiture in a non-studio setting, I doubt the VR option would be
    very useful. Even if it reduced camera movement at 1/60s or 1/30s, my
    subject`s movement would come into play at those speeds. I was hoping
    that it could improve images at my usual hand-held 1/125s or 1/250s
    speeds.

    Tien
     
    Joan, Jun 19, 2006
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  7. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Alan Browne Guest

    It doesn't "track" anything other than pitch and yaw movement. -you-
    track the subject.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 22, 2006
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  8. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Joan Guest

    The lens detects panning and stops adjusting for that direction.

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    http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly

    : Joan wrote:
    :
    : > Don't discount VR on those grounds. I've found that the 18-200 VR
    can
    : > track a moving object.
    :
    : It doesn't "track" anything other than pitch and yaw
    ovement. -you-
    : track the subject.
    :
    : Cheers,
    : Alan
     
    Joan, Jun 22, 2006
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  9. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    That sounds more convenient than the switch which I have seen on
    a Canon lens equipped with their VR equivalent. That switch turns off
    the horizontal correction -- but you've got to remember to turn it off.

    Hmm ... what happens if you rotate the camera to "portrait"
    orientation? Does it still detect panning in the horizontal direction
    and turn off the correction?

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Jun 22, 2006
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  10. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Joan Guest

    Should be OK. It just detects the direction of movement.

    This was taken when I'd had the lens for a week. Hand held and
    standing up.
    http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=89248995&size=o



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    Joan
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    : According to Joan <2>:
    : > The lens detects panning and stops adjusting for that direction.
    :
    : That sounds more convenient than the switch which I have seen on
    : a Canon lens equipped with their VR equivalent. That switch turns
    off
    : the horizontal correction -- but you've got to remember to turn it
    off.
    :
    : Hmm ... what happens if you rotate the camera to "portrait"
    : orientation? Does it still detect panning in the horizontal
    direction
    : and turn off the correction?
    :
    : Enjoy,
    : DoN.
    :
    : --
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    Joan, Jun 22, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    You might want to allow viewing on that one if you want anyone to see it.
     
    J. Clarke, Jun 23, 2006
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  12. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Joan Guest

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly/89248995/
    Sorry, I didn't realise the public couldn't see the full size.
    Try this link or try the other one again, I've just changed an item in
    my profile.

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    Joan
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly

    : Joan wrote:
    :
    : > Should be OK. It just detects the direction of movement.
    : >
    : > This was taken when I'd had the lens for a week. Hand held and
    : > standing up.
    : > http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=89248995&size=o
    :
    : You might want to allow viewing on that one if you want anyone to
    see it.
    :
    : --
    : --John
    : to email, dial "usenet" and validate
    : (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
     
    Joan, Jun 23, 2006
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  13. At 1/1250th of a second you would be better turning VR off as it is of no
    benefit. Shots like this with such a high shutter speed do not benefit from
    VR and could actually suffer from it's use. If I can get a fast shutter
    speed I always turn VR off. I do the majority of my shooting handheld.






    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jun 23, 2006
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  14. According to the exif this is taken at f=200mm with a shutter speed of
    1/1250sec. VR has no positive effect whatsoever on this type of shot. In
    fact, you'd most likely be better off turning it off given my experience
    with the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR lens.
     
    Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!), Jun 23, 2006
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  15. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Joan Guest

    You may all be right, but I remember while taking that shot, the plane
    appeared to move around in the viewfinder when I started to look at it
    and then steadied as I followed it.

    --
    Joan
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly

    message : On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:49:02 +1000, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
    "Joan"
    :
    : >http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly/89248995/
    : >Sorry, I didn't realise the public couldn't see the full size.
    : >Try this link or try the other one again, I've just changed an item
    in
    : >my profile.
    :
    : According to the exif this is taken at f=200mm with a shutter speed
    of
    : 1/1250sec. VR has no positive effect whatsoever on this type of
    shot. In
    : fact, you'd most likely be better off turning it off given my
    experience
    : with the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR lens.
    : --
    : Ed Ruf ()
    : http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html
     
    Joan, Jun 23, 2006
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  16. Two different things. You're not seeing a very short exposure like the
    sensor did. So you see a lot greater camera motion. Like Rita I do most of
    my shooting handheld and a quite a bit of it is wildlife photography using
    the 70-200 f/2.8 with a TC-20E attached doubling the fl.
     
    Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!), Jun 23, 2006
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  17. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Alan Browne Guest

    Please Don't snip atrributable replies.

    You said: "Don't discount VR on those grounds. I've found that the
    18-200 VR can track a moving object."

    I said: "It doesn't "track" anything other than pitch and yaw movement.
    -you- track the subject."

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 23, 2006
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  18. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Joan Guest

    If you want to have one of those "I said", "You said" arguments, have
    it with yourself. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to discuss and to
    learn.

    --
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    http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly

    : Joan wrote:
    :
    : > The lens detects panning and stops adjusting for that direction.
    :
    : Please Don't snip atrributable replies.
    :
    : You said: "Don't discount VR on those grounds. I've found that the
    : 18-200 VR can track a moving object."
    :
    : I said: "It doesn't "track" anything other than pitch and yaw
    movement.
    : -you- track the subject."
    :
    : Cheers,
    : Alan.
    :
    : --
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    Joan, Jun 23, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    You want to learn. Then pay attention:

    1) Do not top post
    2) Do not snip attributions and relevant content
    3) _read_ before you reply
    4) Have a nice day

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 23, 2006
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  20. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Joan Guest

    When I was a child my father taught me never to give advice that
    wasn't requested.

    --
    Joan
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly

    : Joan wrote:
    :
    : > If you want to have one of those "I said", "You said" arguments,
    have
    : > it with yourself. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to discuss and
    to
    : > learn.
    :
    : You want to learn. Then pay attention:
    :
    : 1) Do not top post
    : 2) Do not snip attributions and relevant content
    : 3) _read_ before you reply
    : 4) Have a nice day
    :
    : Cheers,
    : Alan.
    :
    :
    : --
    : -- r.p.e.35mm user resource:
    http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm
    : -- r.p.d.slr-systems:
    http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm
    : -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin
    : -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch.
     
    Joan, Jun 24, 2006
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