Nikon raw (*.nef) support?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Jeffrey Kaplan, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. My brand new Nikon D40x is my first DSLR, and also the first digicam
    I've used that can output files in "raw". I think I know now what that
    means, but I'm having problems actually using them.

    My camera has two "raw" modes, plain raw and "raw+basic". I took the
    same picture in each, then transferred the image files to my Windows XP
    Pro system's hard drive.

    ACDSee Photo Manager 8 and Paint Shop Pro Photo XI both claim to
    support Nikon RAW files, but neither one can open the ones I have. What
    are my other options? Pre-emptively for the record, Photoshop is out
    of my price range, including (at least for now precisely because I just
    bought this camera...) Elements.

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    Warren Block Guest

    "Raw" records just the raw (.nef) file. "Raw+Basic" produces both the
    ..nef and a .jpg. It takes more space but can be more convenient.
    Having the camera do the JPEG conversion may produce better JPEGs than
    an external program.
    Windows stuff... don't know. Although there's UFRaw:

    http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/
     
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    Faz Guest

    Faz, Jun 28, 2007
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    C J Campbell Guest

    Nikon uses a different raw format for every camera they make. You will
    have to wait for ACDSee and Paint Shop to release updates for the D40x,
    which is still a relatively new camera. Adobe and Apple just released
    their updates not very long ago. I doubt that ACDSee or Paint Shop are
    far behind.
     
    C J Campbell, Jun 28, 2007
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    Matt Clara Guest

    He obviously needs updated software that can handle the newer D40x
    files--same thing is true of macs and linux, not just windows.
     
    Matt Clara, Jun 28, 2007
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  6. Dave Coffin's /dcraw/ supports the D40x as of early
    June, but the last (Mar 07) release of Ufraw does not.

    However, it would be a fairly simple hack to cut the two
    or three lines of code added to dcraw.c out and patch
    them into Ufraw. That isn't something everyone would
    want to try, but it actually should be pretty easy to
    add support for the D40x to Ufraw.

    If anyone with Linux isn't comfortable trying it, and
    really really wants Ufraw with D40x support, if they'll
    send me an example NEF formatted file, I'll try it and
    see if a static linked binary can be produced for use on
    any generic '86 platform.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Jun 28, 2007
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    Jim Guest

    In the short term, Picture Project (while not the best software in the
    world) is included with your camera, and I believe should read the raw
    nef files and of course convert them. The other thing.. how about
    PhotoShop Elements.... 1/6 the price of CS and 98% or what you need for
    photo editing including support for Adobe Raw.

    I will no doubt incur some wrath for this, but Nikons Capture NX is not
    a bad peice of software at all. I use the older version for some Raw
    conversion because I find it produces results nearly as good as Adobe
    with less effort. And it saves the changes as a delta in the NEF, so I
    can always "go back".
     
    Jim, Jun 28, 2007
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  8. Most programs will soon be updated to recognise it, presumably. If you
    want something now, look at Helicon Filter
    http://www.heliconsoft.com/
    which is a nice little program. It can be used for all editing, if you
    want, and has a reasonable noise reduction facility (that's what it
    started life as). It also does raw conversion with one of three
    methods (it either uses the Nikon SDK, dcraw, or their own
    implementation of the standard algorithms). It should recognise d40x
    files. I also know there is a freeware version, but that may not
    include raw conversion (buying the program is, I think, 20 or 30
    dollars, so not that much). Anyway, you can check on their website if
    raw conversion is included in the free version.
     
    achilleaslazarides, Jun 28, 2007
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    Don F Guest

    I found that the raw converters in both Nikon Capture 4.4 and Capture NX
    provided a better sharpening process than Photoshop 7 or Elements 5. I
    understand that there are complex multi-pass sharpening processes that would
    probably result in optimized sharpening but I am talking about the "simple"
    use of the sharpening tool options.
    I also have Elements 5 which is a neat editing program with an exceptional
    image file organizer.
    I agree with you that NX is a nice piece of software. The U point
    technology is great tool.
    I tried the 30 trial version and bought the retail version when the time
    expired. There is a learning curve but it is fairly intuitive overall. I
    am producing excellent quality images with NX so that is what I will stick
    with for now.
    What I found unusual is that NX came with a printed manual, not only in
    English but in Spanish.
    NX is certainly not a substitute for the expensive Photoshop software but
    either Elements 5.0 or Capture NX are good alternatives for those who do not
    want to learn the professional software editing processes.
    Don F
     
    Don F, Jun 28, 2007
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  10. It is alleged that Faz claimed:
    Downloaded, thank you.

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  11. It is alleged that C J Campbell claimed:
    I'd probably have to purchase an upgrade for ACDSee to see it (I've got
    v8.1 and current is 9.x). After trying out PSP XI, I hate its
    interface, I'll stick with the now-unsupported v7.

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    Jeffrey Kaplan, Jun 28, 2007
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  12. It is alleged that Jim claimed:
    I thought I said that Elements is out of my price range right now.
    Buying this camera kit (body and two lenses) just sucked dry my "fun
    money" budget for the rest of the year.
    Elements is out of my price range at $100, Capture NX at $150 is even
    more so.

    Thanks anyway.

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    Fritto Misto Guest

    Just download it on P2P.
     
    Fritto Misto, Jun 28, 2007
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  14. The sharpening in ACR 4.1 is vastly improved and it works with
    Elements 5.
    At least as good as Lightroom's. Many people who had been using
    Elements Organizer as a manager for Photoshop CS2 (myself included)
    were a bit disappointed that Lightroom didn't do more.
     
    Oliver Costich, Jun 28, 2007
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  15. If you shop Ebay or qualify for academic pricing, Elements 5 is well
    under $100.
     
    Oliver Costich, Jun 28, 2007
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  16. It is alleged that Fritto Misto claimed:
    Just drive that new car off the lot too, while you're stealing things.

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    in my old age.
     
    Jeffrey Kaplan, Jun 28, 2007
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    Warren Block Guest

    I don't see how you got there from what I said. In any case, let me be
    more explicit:

    I don't use Windows for photography, so I don't know what to recommend
    other than UFRaw, which is an open-source raw converter that runs on
    various platforms including Windows. It's free, so it's worth trying to
    see if the "D40" listed in compatible cameras means only the D40 or
    D40/D40x. Lacking a D40x or a raw file from one, I am unable to test
    this myself.
     
    Warren Block, Jun 28, 2007
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    Don F Guest

    -------------
    I bought my copy of Elements 5.0 from my *local* Staples store for $89.95
    (USD). It went on sale the following week for $59.95. Look for sales.
    BTW I paid $129.95 from B&H for Capture NX.
    They both have a 30 day trial period. That is 60 days of editing time
    free to give time to restore you cash flow and to sample two good editors.
    Don F
     
    Don F, Jun 28, 2007
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  19. It is alleged that Don F claimed:
    Noted, but my budget just got even tighter, as my computer's video just
    started going squirrelly, I'm maybe looking at needing to replace a
    monitor or the video card and I don't yet know which, if either. So
    there will be no non-essential software purchases for quite some time.
    :(

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    Jeffrey Kaplan, Jun 29, 2007
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    DoN. Nichols Guest

    According to Jeffrey Kaplan <>:

    [ ... ]
    First off (especially if there is a lot of noise on the screen)
    check the connections from the monitor to the graphics card. Unplug and
    replug a few time in a row to scrub off oxide films. Check whether
    there is another connector at the monitor end as well, and repeat with
    that. This could save you some money at least. If this makes a
    difference, try getting a good contact cleaner spray, unplug the
    connectors and spray the pins, then repeat the plug/unplug cycle as
    before.

    And remember -- some of the suggestions you have received are
    free software, which are certainly worth investigating.

    Good Luck,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Jun 29, 2007
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