nikon Vs canon

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by steve CHURCH, Aug 23, 2003.

  1. steve CHURCH

    steve CHURCH Guest

    Hi,

    Can anyone lend me their views on the comparison of the Nikon F80 against
    the Canon EOS30. Is one better than the other and why. Or is it a "it
    depends...." kind of answer.

    Thanks,

    Steve
     
    steve CHURCH, Aug 23, 2003
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    It probably does depend but I whilehartedly recommend the EOS 30 as the
    finest consumer priced camera I've ever had the pleasure to use. The layout
    is superbe and it has all the necessary featurs along with some really nice
    add ons like ECF and the full range of Canon IS lenses .
    As an Ex Nikon user I don't see anything special about the 80 save that
    it works well and has all the necessary features. It is, in fact, a rather
    boring camera - but one man's boredom is another man's pumpkin pie.
    Try both. Neither will let you down, and you could make your decision
    strictly on the basis of which one looks better to you without fear of
    serious error.

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    Tony Spadaro, Aug 23, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    They are very comparable cameras.

    The EOS 30 has Mirror Lockup, the F80 does not. The rest of the
    differences seem pretty minor.

    Both have 1/2 step exposure compensation which is a shortcoming if you
    use slide film.

    The EOS 30 also has a rep. for very quiet operation.

    The Canon wireless flash system is great.

    The "it depends..." part is: How does it feel in your hands. Do you
    like the controls and the way the camera functions? Do you need MLU?

    If it were me, I'd go Canon between these two: the lenses are great, and
    the digital path very clear. Or I'd step up to the Minolta Maxxum/Dynax
    7 which is better than both the EOS 30 and the F80. (caveat: no digital
    path declared as yet).

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 23, 2003
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    Mike Marty Guest

    N80 has a true spot meter. EOS30/Elan7 has, I think, a 10-degree spot.
     
    Mike Marty, Aug 23, 2003
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    Slingblade Guest

    Actually the FTb is 12 degree isn't it?
     
    Slingblade, Aug 24, 2003
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    Pierre L Guest

    Try the N80 out, go outside the store if you can, actually operate it. It's
    a pleasure to use - and don't underestimate the usefulness of a true
    spotmeter, maybe not now, but in your future. No idiot modes on it - it has
    a more professional-like operating system.

    Pierre
     
    Pierre L, Aug 24, 2003
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    Forristal Guest

    is, in fact, a rather boring camera

    As an (F)80 owner I fully agree - my camera couldn't hold a stimulating
    conversation if its life depended on it.
    On a redeeming note it is rather good for taking photos with.
     
    Forristal, Aug 24, 2003
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  8. Actually it's 9%, but you're close enough...
     
    Skip Middleton, Aug 24, 2003
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    The Elan is an excellent conversationalist and it takes great
    pictures. Combine the excellent ergonomics with low price high quality IS
    lenses and you have the best consumer priced camera I've ever used. The F80
    is a camera -- but hen again so is the Brownie.

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    Tony Spadaro, Aug 24, 2003
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  10. I haven't messed with the Canon, but I'm the recent owner of an N80 having
    stepped up from the N65 (Nikon). Must say, it's a great camera.

    I don't miss the mirror lockup, but then I don't use long-lenses at slow
    shutter speeds (at least not at this point). As for eye-controlled focusing,
    that seems gimicky to me too. The N80 has its own particular autofocusing
    which I think is great frankly.

    A couple of small things in particular I like about it is (a) uses standard
    mechanical cable release rather than a propertiary remote like most others
    do (including other Nikons, to be fair) and (b) the overlay display grids in
    the viewfinder. I have found it helps me a lot with lining up landscape
    photos, especially in darker conditions; the overlay lines light up briefly
    in the dark and help me keep from shooting crooked pictures.

    I also like in particular the mode dial's ease of us; to go to shutter
    priority, aperture priority, manual or programmed, just turn the dial and
    you're there. The Canon may have the same thing; I just know many others
    have you hold down a mode-switch while turning a wheel, and I like the mode
    dial of the N80 better.

    And I must say I do have a bias--it seems like EVERYONE is flocking to Canon
    nowadays for no good reason in my opinion. Nikon has LONG been the leader in
    35mm SLRs and frankly they still are if you ask me. But then that's my bias.
     
    Larry R Harrison Jr, Aug 24, 2003
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    Dallas D Guest

    Excuse me?

    What shit have you been smoking? If Nikon were leaders in 35mm gear, then
    why don't they have AF-S motors in any of their consumer lenses? Why have
    they only now latched onto the wonders of image stabilisers? And don't get
    me started on ECF...

    BTW, you have too many R's in your name.
     
    Dallas D, Aug 24, 2003
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Tony Spadaro, Aug 25, 2003
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    Peter Guest

    A gimmick, hardly a "very important feature" (I never got it to work
    with my eyes...).
    None of the Canon's have mirror lock-up. At most this 30 second pre-fire
    thingy, but not lock-up. (Correct me if I'm wrong though).
    One of Nikon's biggest mistakes (amongst others, notably no DOF preview
    on some models).
    The FM3a!

    -peter
     
    Peter, Aug 25, 2003
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  14. Heresy! This is an equipment group here, and if everyone did what you
    suggest there'd be no one here except the trolls... Uh, perhaps I
    should rephrase that.

    Incidentially, I gave virtually identical advise earlier this week
    in a different forum. There, the choice was between an EOS-3 and
    an F-100. But you said it better.
     
    Michael Benveniste, Aug 25, 2003
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    EDGY01 Guest

    I can't believe that you're talking about 35mm equipment here!!! What's WRONG
    with you?? This is the TRASH EVERYONE site, and TROLL HANGOUT.

    Dan
     
    EDGY01, Aug 26, 2003
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  16. Subject: Re: nikon Vs canon
    Not all trolls are bad. We only say bad things about beef jerky, not people!

    ABT
     
    AlanBrownsTeeth, Aug 26, 2003
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    fruitbat Guest

    The problem I have with the Elan's mode dial is that "off" is
    considered a mode. Maybe I'm just paranoid about battery use, but I
    usually turn mine off if I know I won't be taking a shot for more than
    30s or so. If I'm using a mode that's not right next to the "Off"
    position (i.e. anything other than P or full auto), it's multiple
    clicks of the dial to turn it off, then multiple clicks to turn it on
    again and put it back in that mode. Some other EOS bodies (as well as
    some Nikons that I've seen/held) have a separate on/off switch which
    I'd MUCH prefer.

    A few of the Elan's other UI features get a little annoying after a
    while, too. The timeout delay on several features including AE lock is
    too small for my tastes, and there's no way to increase it that I'm
    aware of.

    That's really it, though. The interface is otherwise very convenient,
    and I would have to agree with Tony and recommend the Elan. I have the
    7E, and I've been very happy with it.

    Jeff
     
    fruitbat, Aug 26, 2003
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  18. steve CHURCH

    Dallas D Guest

    Didn't the 1v come out before the EOS 30? I know Canon had ECF in previous
    cameras (EOS 5) but perhaps the technology wasn't at the right level then.

    Also, maybe the design of the 1v's electronics system couldn't accommodate
    it?
     
    Dallas D, Aug 26, 2003
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  19. Apparently so. So having too many "R"s in my name is a basis for
    rebutting my arguments?

    Meanwhile he wants to use ECF? I take it he means Eye Controlled
    Focusing. First off, is his typing so terrible he can't spell it out?
    God what laziness.

    AF, 3D TTL, that's one thing. But ECF? C'mon, type your words out!

    Speaking of eye-controlled focusing, many of us know that's really a
    gimmick anyway. Besides, with the N80s "Nintendo"-like autofocus
    control, how much more can you ask for?

    Then of course the N80 has a spotmeter, which very logically matches
    the AF sensor chosen. To say nothing of how when the F5 came out,
    nothing came close to it. Even Canon was scrambling to catch up with
    it, and didn't until the EOS-1v.

    Frankly, the original poster (OP) should try out both the Canon and
    the Nikon--and heck, a couple of Minoltas and Pentaxes while you're at
    it--and see which one the OP likes best. Let the rest of the trolls
    sling mud over this silly Canon/Nikon debate.

    Reminds me of the Ford/Chevrolet debates of years ago. Meanwhile, I'd
    much rather have a Honda or Toyota than either one.
     
    Larry R Harrison Jr, Aug 26, 2003
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  20. Well, considering they thought it good enough for the EOS3, which preceded
    the 1v by quite a margin, I'd say they had it down right. The explanation I
    got, from a Canon rep, was that Canon felt that pros were more conservative
    and that ECF wasn't a good marketing fit for that level camera.
     
    Skip Middleton, Aug 26, 2003
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