nikon Vs canon

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by steve CHURCH, Aug 23, 2003.

  1. Umm, neither? The first AF SLR was a *gasp* Minolta 7000. Oddly, there are
    still a lot of them in use. May have something to do with the superb build
    quality...

    Mike
     
    Mike Lipphardt, Aug 27, 2003
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  2. steve CHURCH

    Wes J Guest

    If, as I suspect, the Canon lacks spot metering, then I would definitely go
    for the Nikon. As for the flash systems, Nikon has always enjoyed the
    reputation of being a superior system.

    flash system is great.
     
    Wes J, Aug 27, 2003
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  3. steve CHURCH

    Wes J Guest

    The lack of spot metering on the Canon makes it the loser between the two.

    This last statement is typical Canon lover BS.
     
    Wes J, Aug 27, 2003
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    Pierre L Guest

    I use the spotmeter on my F80 often. It's a real spotmeter, not a partial
    spotmeter averaging a larger spot. It's indispensable once you get used to
    using it.
    Pierre
     
    Pierre L, Aug 27, 2003
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  5. Yes sir, I sure enough figured that out (that Minolta started the
    modern AF SLR). I like Nikon the best, but got to admit--Minolta got
    the modern style of 35mm SLR going back in 1985 with its Maxxum 7000.

    Got to give them credit for that, that's for sure.

    Understand--I was LONG one of the skeptics of that design. Always
    thought cameras such as the X-700, AE-1 (Program), A-1, F-1, Pentax's
    ME Super and Super Program (and LX) and especially Nikon's FM(2),
    FE(2) and F3 cameras were the way to go. Basically I would typically
    say, if you ruin rolls of film because of failing to set the film
    speed, or if you don't know how to rewind a roll of film, you've got
    no business being in photography. I was ESPECIALLY that with focusing.
    I could never understand how it was that people had such a hard time
    focusing an SLR of all things. Well, sports photography etc I could
    somewhat see, but portraits and landscapes? Please.

    That's of course until I started letting friends use my Nikon FE
    (**loved** that camera!) to take simple portraits and would tell them
    "if it looks blurry, just turn this knob; it's just like focusing a
    film or slide projector," only to get back photos which were VERY
    blurry. And this was with a 50mm lens set at like f/8 for crying out
    loud! Just couldn't see how they messed it up, but I guess a lot do
    somehow.

    As for the original poster--if he's even still reading this thread by
    now (he's probably left to leave us to our squabbling)--I would humbly
    admit that besides the Nikon N80 and the Canon, he should surely look
    at the Maxxum 7 if it fits his budget. (I don't recall which Maxxum
    exactly is closest to the N80 in price; the Maxxum 7 may be more along
    the lines of Nikon's F100, but anyway.) I've never laid a single
    finger on it, but I read great things about it everywhere. I would
    certainly suggest for him to take a peek at it. If he likes it--I hear
    its LCD panel rocks--then he could buy it, enjoy it, take awesome
    photographs, and forget getting caught up on who says what about
    Canon, Nikon, anybody.

    LRH
     
    Larry R Harrison Jr, Aug 28, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    The problem with reputations is sometimes you are blessed with a good
    one; sometimes hung with a bad one, and in the case of Nikon Flash,
    which is indeed very good, it still holds no candle to the wireless
    flashes of Minolta and Canon, with the Canon wireless flash being the
    better of the two (RF based, more ratio control, more individual flashes
    can be controlled).

    You are correct about the metering, which on the Elan is centre-weighted
    or "partial" at 10%...which is probably centred enough for most uses.

    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 29, 2003
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    B. Skelton Guest

    First let's see if Nikon's "reputation of being a superior flash system"
    has any basis in fact. You made the claim, so please tell us why.
     
    B. Skelton, Aug 29, 2003
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  8. I like manual focus Leicaflex better than either of these sytems, and
    the lenses are better anyway.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Aug 29, 2003
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    Wes J Guest

    Read the reviews of the Nikon system over the past 15 years or so. Find one
    that says this system is second to Canons. Indeed, when I was using the FD
    system, Canon was the last to come around to off the film plane flash. It's
    common knowledge that Nikon's flash system is one of its greatest strengths.
     
    Wes J, Aug 29, 2003
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  10. steve CHURCH

    Wes J Guest

    And wireless is not the only aspect of flash. Of course if you really like
    that feature, then the new D2H is as good as it gets.
     
    Wes J, Aug 29, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    You seem to be on a real "defend fortress Nikon" rant right now...

    Here's a thought: Decide for yourself what you need in a camera rather
    than reading about it. While you were dozing behind your magazine
    reviews for the past 15 years, Canon has taken away a lot of the market
    in high end, as well as the low to middle market.

    In closing, somebody asked an opinion about two cameras. I gave my
    opinion which came from examining the specs of the two cameras; I know
    two people who have the N80 (I don't know anyone with an Elan) and the
    thing that stuck out at them and me was the lack of MLU. Finally, where
    is Nikon in IS lenses? Way behind Canon. Where is Nikon in digital
    Way, Way behind Canon.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 29, 2003
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    Wes J Guest

    Well I guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on doesn't it?
    Read YOUR last message and see if doesn't sound like it was from the Canon
    ad department. It's acceptable to be proud of a brand to an extent, but to
    extol it to be the end-all and best like so many Canon followers do seems a
    bit much. Now they're saying Canon has the best flash...reminds me of when
    the Russians were saying they invented jazz. Reading this NG shows more
    chest-thumping Canon users than any other brand. Perhaps they should form a
    news group with nothing but self-congratulatory messages for ascending the
    Canon throne.
     
    Wes J, Aug 30, 2003
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    B. Skelton Guest

    The T90 was late to the OTF game, and it was not an inferior system. But
    things have changed a bit in the last 17 years, haven't they? Please offer
    some real proof to show why Nikon is superior today. And be careful not to
    thump your chest too hard.
     
    B. Skelton, Aug 30, 2003
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    Dallas D Guest

    Wes, you are being unreasonable.

    In all honesty, having used quite an elaborate Nikon TTL set-up (SB-22s,
    SB-25, SC-17, SU-4) in the past, I found the system to be very unfriendly.
    Pre-flash from the SB-25 would set off the SU-4 and the result was a
    terrible mess of an exposure. Not only that, but shooting fill during the
    day required complete manual overrides and putting the speedlight on manual.
    You can't get decent fill from your Nikon TTL system without doing that and
    at the same time knowing exactly what you are doing.

    Nikons have this habit of automatically reducing the shutter speed when
    shooting in TTL and A mode. Also, you have to buy a DX flash if you ever
    want to go digital. I decided not to do that.

    I went and got Canon equipment. I bought a 550EX, 420EX and an ST-E2. It
    works very differently from Nikon TTL and it's a lot easier to use. Each
    camera mode has it's own method of using light to illuminate the subject and
    they work beautifully. With my set-up I can even set ratios between my
    lights while retaining full E-TTL in a wireless environment. Doing that with
    Nikon involves some serious understanding of your equipment!

    My view is, don't knock it till you've tried it!
     
    Dallas D, Aug 30, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Oh. Sorry I wasn't clear. YES, Canon have a better flash system than
    Nikon. Clear 'nuf?

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 30, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    (psst: nobody asked).
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 30, 2003
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    Wes J Guest

    Clear as if you left the lens cap on. I disagree, is that clear?
     
    Wes J, Aug 31, 2003
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    Wes J Guest

    It's always the Canon zealots that do the chest thumping, as if to justify
    their purchases. I would venture the Canon folks are more equipment geeks
    than photographers (with many notable exceptions of course). They always
    seem to fire the first salvos in this NG with Nikon the usual target. Some
    kind of envy?

     
    Wes J, Aug 31, 2003
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    Eric Rudd Guest

    I have an Elan 7 and a 420EX. Is the ability to set up lighting ratios
    between the flashes a function of the flashes, or your camera? In other
    words, if I bought an additional flash and wireless shoe controller, how
    do you dial in the ratios? Is it adjusted on the controller unit?

    Best,

    Eric
     
    Eric Rudd, Aug 31, 2003
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    Dallas D Guest

    Hi Eric,

    Yes it is a function of the transmitter, namely the ST-E2. You simply press
    a button on the back to set a ratio between the units. I think you are
    limited to two flashes with that feature, but I may be wrong. I only have
    two flashes and I'm not inclined to read the manual right now!

    --
    "Get up, get out & do something, how will you make it if you never even
    try?"
    Macy Gray
    www.imageunlimited.co.za
    ..
     
    Dallas D, Aug 31, 2003
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