Nikon's new, $3000 nostalgic, 1970's FM-like digital (SLR or mirrorless?)

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Oct 27, 2013.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Good for them. I hope they sell a ton. Dpreview:

    Nikon Rumors has been reporting possible specifications all week. Some interesting bits of information that were first reported include:

    - The name will be: "Nikon DF"
    - No video
    - Announcement in early November
    - Expected price tag: $3,000 for body only, $3,300 with 50mm lens
     
    RichA, Oct 27, 2013
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    Me Guest

    Have to wait and see.
    Nikon are doing a bit of a wind-up campaign on this, which isn't very
    consistent - for example the camera has a Nikkor 50mm f1.8g fitted, but
    a side view shows something which looks like an aperture ring - which is
    missing on "G" lenses.
    "Hybrid" switchable OVF/EVF is interesting, as would Nikon's possible
    introduction of a mirrorless camera (well it is in effect - at least
    functionally when set in EVF mode with mirror up) at the higher end of
    the market.
     
    Me, Oct 27, 2013
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  3. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Be interesting to see how they implement that hybrid system, how seamless it is and how well both work. For daytime use with normal lenses, the optical system would be good, for nighttime or with long lenses, the EVF might be better. We'll see.
    What would be a shock would be a camera where the back would open just like an SLR so you could easily clean the sensor. But that won't happen.
     
    RichA, Oct 27, 2013
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  4. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    Huh?
    I guess that would work if the sensor faced the back of the camera. I
    just remove whatever lens is attached, lock the mirror up for cleaning,
    and go at it.
    Where is the problem?
    Probably not.
     
    Savageduck, Oct 27, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    It kind of did work like that for an early Leica digital--it was a back
    that fit the Leicaflex like a motor-drive-and-bulk-film setup would. So
    you could take the back off and clean the sensor, which was attached to
    the back, at need.
     
    J. Clarke, Oct 27, 2013
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  6. RichA

    RichA Guest

    No, the sensor could be attached to the door that would swing open.
     
    RichA, Oct 27, 2013
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    Bowser Guest

    I would never buy a camera designed like that! Alignment issues,
    sealing issues, no reason to do this.
     
    Bowser, Oct 28, 2013
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  8. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Granted, stamped brass plates wouldn't do, but machined parts would suffice for any issues with alignment. It would cost money, but then this new camera does cost a bit.
     
    RichA, Oct 29, 2013
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    Me Guest

    From DPReview:

    "As such, although I hate to say it: from a cold, hard practical point
    of view, I can't shake the feeling that the Df is a little bit... silly"

    I agree with that. Pointless camera - so many possibilities, but that
    was the best Nikon could do. IMO it's got about as much appeal as a
    "new" VW Beetle.
     
    Me, Nov 5, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    It's really nice. The body seems a bit too big to compete with the Xpro and
    other retro-style cameras with interchangeable lenses.

    I like all the dials, but I'm unsure what it brings to the game for the
    pricetag other than looks.
     
    Sandman, Nov 5, 2013
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    David Taylor Guest

    Too many dials - too much chance for accidental mis-adjustment. More
    like $4400 in the UK. Can't see it doing that well, to be honest.


    http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-...ith-50mm-lens-silver/p1544998&go=kits_bundles
     
    David Taylor, Nov 5, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    It's weather sealed.
     
    Eric Stevens, Nov 5, 2013
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  13. RichA

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Much better than burying everything in menus.
     
    Eric Stevens, Nov 5, 2013
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  14. RichA

    David Taylor Guest

    To a degree, yes. But these days I find that the only thing I routinely
    adjust is exposure compensation, and that doesn't need delving into a
    menu. Actually, it's quite rare that I need to use the menus.
     
    David Taylor, Nov 5, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    How so? I mean, how does the number of dials increase that chance? I like
    to have a clear dial that shows me exactly what the settings is.
     
    Sandman, Nov 5, 2013
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    Me Guest

    The important functions aren't buried in menus in dslrs above entry
    level anyway.
    The ergonomic setup of modern dslrs evolved for a reason. Nikon just
    took a giant leap backwards IMO. If they wanted to make it "simple"
    retro, then it's a massive fail.
    IMO Nikon have lost the plot. I agree with Ken Rockwell wrt things like
    the U1/2 settings on D7100/610 - that should be on their "pro" cameras
    but omitted - leaving the "pro" user menu-surfing for setting banks,
    when the "serious amateur" can just flick a dial.
     
    Me, Nov 5, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    And they aren't on the DF? Haven't seen much details yet...
    And it is quite possible that the front and rear control wheel has the same
    funciton on the DF as on any other Nikon. While that could lead to a
    disrepancy between the setting and the actual dial for, say, shutter speed
    - it could be a user setting.

    But it's not likely so - so what does the front and read knob do?
     
    Sandman, Nov 5, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    I have my most used settings changes in the "My Menu" group. The menu
    banks are a way to quickly switch for different situations. e.g. Bank A,
    my normal settings, bank B, remote strobe setup; Bank C set for pre
    focused used for any situation where I do not want the focus to change
    when I press the shutter release. Menu bank shifting is reasonably fast
    using My Menu.
     
    PeterN, Nov 5, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    I like Nikon's slam at videographers "this is a serious camera for
    serious people". Points out a philosophical difference all right.
    Canon and Sony make very serious video cameras for very serious people
    and do not view video as a frivolity.
     
    J. Clarke, Nov 5, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    On the one hand having a separate control for ISO is an interesting
    concept, on the other I don't know if that's a particularly good
    location for it.
     
    J. Clarke, Nov 5, 2013
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