NLE with 2 cam shoot/ Premiere 6

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by les, Feb 7, 2004.

  1. les

    les Guest

    Perhaps I'm overlooking the obvious, but I'm trying to sync up
    a 2 cam shoot, easy as the shots are quite long and easy to
    cue up, but the problem is that with both video timeline even
    synced, I can't figure out what transition function or how
    to implement it to create a butt joint from cam A to B and back
    anywhere at will. The audio is irrelevant.

    I'm sure just about everyone has had a situation like this to
    confront.....how did you do it?
    I'm using Adobe Premiere 6 in Win2K.

    Thanks...... Les
     
    les, Feb 7, 2004
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    ctrl-z Guest

    I'm sure just about everyone has had a situation like this to

    Well, since you asked... I solved the issue by going to Vegas for all
    my editing. I simply place cam2 anywhere 'lower' than cam 1 (main) and
    (with ripple turned off) slice out segments of cam 1. Anywhere I do
    this cam2 shows through. Easy to use fades instead of cuts by dragging
    the fade handles on cam1.

    The same general idea would probably work in P6. It does in 6.5,
    including the fades. But not nearly so elegant as in Vegas.
     
    ctrl-z, Feb 7, 2004
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    Lazarus Guest

    Lazarus, Feb 7, 2004
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  4. United Media makes a good app to automate handling this with
    Premiere. Works with real time hardware support, not sure how it
    would work otherwise (real time means that creating the multiple
    simultaneous video window outputs would be trivial).

    The actual 2-cam sync shoot is pretty simple, but managing it isn't
    so easy.

    First thing, you don't have a multi-track view to monitor both
    sources at once by default. You can make one by putting the video
    tracks above track 1, and resizing them.

    Second, once you know where the transitions are, you can go and cut
    the clip on each of them. Then, the actual A/B transition thing is
    pretty simple -- you just alternate your clips between the AB part
    (shift them from the upper tracks). Create an overlap where you want
    transitions other than cuts. When done -- or maybe even during the
    edit process -- mute those clips, so that only the main Video 1 A/B
    shows.

    As other people will point out, other apps do this more easily than
    Premiere, but you can definitely do it using Premiere.
     
    Jeffery S. Jones, Feb 8, 2004
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    Dj-ML Guest

    The way I've been doing it for years especially in P6 (not so with PPro) is
    to take both cams and lay them on Vid1a and Vid1b. Scrub 1a until I have a
    common sound/ video slate or whatever means you used to mark the tapes for a
    common sequence reference, then use the cut tool and clip each track that
    that point (do this for 1b as well). This makes it easy to match up both Vid
    tracks as they will both be common at that edit point.

    Once you have both tracks synced up, use the TAKE command and place it in
    the transition track and point the arrows down or up to whatever track
    you're going to take, that simple.

    I'm PPro you can't do this as the 1a/1b is now just 1 and 2 and 3 etc. The
    concept is still the same to find the common edit point where you can sync.
    The only difference is that you keep the B Roll on Vid 1 and the primary
    track on Vid 2. Understand the concept here is to lift video out of track 2
    and allow vid 1 to show through.

    I scrub the video on Vid 2 until a point that I want to let 1 though, I use
    the I (on the keyboard) command to mark the in point, then scrub forward to
    the out point and hit O on the keyboard, next I just hit a ; and the video
    on track 2 is done and I have a perfect B roll pass through. With Pro I can
    add disolves on the video on track 2 and it makes a nice transition to the
    b-roll.

    Good luck... you don't need to pickup any expensive software to do this,
    just make sure of 2 things on each shoot.

    1. NEVER STOP ROLLING TAPE ON EITHER CAMERA ONCE YOU'VE MARKED OR SLATED!
    2. NEVER FORGET TO SLATE OR MARK YOUR CAMERAS!
    3. IN THE EVENT THAT YOU DO, FIND A COMMON SOUND, FLASH FROM A CAMERA ETC
    AND USE THIS.
     
    Dj-ML, Feb 8, 2004
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    A Good Joe Guest

    Going to Vegas Video did not solve any "issue"! What you described can be
    done in the very same manner using Premiere. In Premiere one can use Video
    1A and Video 1B along with a transition on the Transition track - or leave a
    simple butt cut between the clips. If the butt cut is not to the users
    liking the video can always be stretched back out or shortened to tweak the
    look. OR, one can use Premiere's Video 2 and Video 3 to implement the rubber
    bands just like Vegas Video.
     
    A Good Joe, Feb 10, 2004
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  7. Going to Vegas Video did not solve any "issue"!

    That's because he didn't tell you the about the "slick" way to edit multi cam
    stuff in Vegas. I don't have the time to type it out now, but if you do a
    search on the Sony Vegas user forum you'll find it.

    Craig H.
     
    HighPeaksVideo, Feb 10, 2004
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  8. You may find these useful...
    www.ferrario.com/ruether/premiere.htm
    www.ferrario.com/ruether/multi-camera.htm
    www.ferrario.com/ruether/multi-camera2.htm
     
    David Ruether, Feb 10, 2004
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