# No leaks of Nikon mirror-less yet?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Sep 9, 2011.

1. ### RichAGuest

Kind of odd, unless they aren't releasing one this month.

RichA, Sep 9, 2011

2. ### SavageduckGuest

Why worry?
We all know you aren't going to like anything about it regardless of
what it might turn out to be.

Savageduck, Sep 9, 2011

3. ### RichAGuest

Curiosity does not = worry.

RichA, Sep 9, 2011
4. ### PeterNGuest

Nor have we heard any news of a Nikkor 12-1,000 f2.0 zoom mirror, VR
with autofocus.

PeterN, Sep 10, 2011
5. ### PeterNGuest

Yup! You're quite curious.

PeterN, Sep 10, 2011
6. ### SavageduckGuest

Not until now. Curses!

Savageduck, Sep 10, 2011
7. ### RichGuest

I see Nikon stocked jumped 6% on word a mirrorless might be released.
But, if some people are right and they are releasing one with a small
sensor so as not to cut into higher quality DSLR sales...

Rich, Sep 10, 2011
8. ### Fredrik JonsonGuest

Here's a rumor:

http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/09/nikon-v1-and-j1-the-new-mirrorless-cameras-from-nikon.aspx
In my humble view success or fail of the above boils down to price. A
competitively priced body around say 500 USD, and I believe it can be a
success. OTHO if Nikon's aims is closer to 1000 USD a lot of casual
consumers will start to question the specs, and prefer the competition with
their m43 and aps-c sensors.

My priorities seems to be covered: viewfinder (check), wide bright pancake
(semi check), and not too many megapixels (check).

I completely trust Nikon to be able to compete in image quality with the
current m43 crowd, despite a smaller sensor. I do wonder if it will have
inherited any of the ergonomics I enjoy in Nikon's DSLR line.

Fredrik Jonson, Sep 10, 2011
9. ### PeterNGuest

So now you're a market analyst too. <\\end dripping sarcasm>

PeterN, Sep 10, 2011
10. ### Neil HarringtonGuest

Body alone for $500? I'm not so sure about that, but then it depends on what it offers and how the lenses are priced. If the J1 as described above turns out to be really nice, and the lenses are very reasonable, then maybe. But you can get a new D3100 with the very nice 18-55 VR kit lens for$600, and
that's what a lot of potential buyers are likely to be comparing it with.

They'll certainly sell some at any price to those who Must Have The Latest
Thing, but after that crowd have bought theirs . . . ?
Right. And that pancake is the only thing that's going to make it
pocketable, which in turn is the only thing I can see that gives it any real
advantage over a small-body DSLR like the D3100. Smaller is nice anyway of
course, and cuter, but will that be enough?
I'm wondering if that expected F-mount adapter will provide full
functionality with existing lenses.

Neil Harrington, Sep 10, 2011
11. ### GuestGuest

a d3100 will be bigger and heavier and the rumoured price is higher
than $500. it will no doubt require af-s lenses and probably g as well. Guest, Sep 10, 2011 12. ### BruceGuest There will be two camera bodies at launch, one with an EVF and one without. Both will have 10 MP sensors with an approx. 2.7X multiplication factor. Initially there will be four lenses: 10mm f/2.8 pancake (28mm equivalent) 10-30mm VR compact 'kit' zoom (28-80mm equivalent) 10-100mm 10X VR super zoom (28-280mm equivalent) 30-110mm VR tele zoom (80-300mm equvalent) There will be an F mount adapter. To be announced September 21, 2011. Bruce, Sep 10, 2011 13. ### Robert CoeGuest : On 9/9/2011 12:49 AM, Savageduck wrote: : > On 2011-09-08 21:38:38 -0700, RichA <> said: : > : >> Kind of odd, unless they aren't releasing one this month. : > : > Why worry? : > We all know you aren't going to like anything about it regardless of : > what it might turn out to be. : > : : Nor have we heard any news of a Nikkor 12-1,000 f2.0 zoom mirror, VR : with autofocus. What we need to know about that lens is whether it will have a focus motor. And of course Rich needs to know whether the barrel will be metal or plastic. Bob Robert Coe, Sep 11, 2011 14. ### Robert CoeGuest :$-secrets.com:
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: > On 9/9/2011 12:49 AM, Savageduck wrote:
: >> On 2011-09-08 21:38:38 -0700, RichA <> said:
: >>
: >>> Kind of odd, unless they aren't releasing one this month.
: >>
: >> Why worry?
: >> We all know you aren't going to like anything about it regardless of
: >> what it might turn out to be.
: >>
: >
: > Nor have we heard any news of a Nikkor 12-1,000 f2.0 zoom mirror, VR
: > with autofocus.
: >
:
: I see Nikon stocked jumped 6% on word a mirrorless might be released.
: But, if some people are right and they are releasing one with a small
: sensor so as not to cut into higher quality DSLR sales...

I recall that we were told (by you?) that "some people" were predicting a
small sensor, but I'd bet money that the stated reason for it was something
that you flatly made up. How do you know that it isn't simply to make the
camera smaller, while establishing a quality point above that of existing
P&Ses, most of which already have very small sensors? And if they don't want
to try to compete with their DSLR product line, why is that stupid and why do
you care? If the new line of cameras happens to revolutionize the small-camera
market, Nikon stands to make a lot of money; if it doesn't, they may lose
their shirts. That's the free enterprise system, which I think you sometimes
profess to support.

Bob

Robert Coe, Sep 11, 2011
15. ### PeterNGuest

It will have a focus motor, that will only operate if used in a camera
without one built into the body. It will also be available with an
interchangeable "adapt-a mount." So it will be usable on both Nikon &
Canon, even the old film versions.

PeterN, Sep 11, 2011
16. ### RichGuest

Rumour is, "plastic" unfortunately. The fact they went from plastic with
the D90 to metal with the D7000 proves Nikon sees the value and is simply
trying to keep the perceived value of its DSLR's higher while it
introduces a potentially half-baked mirror-less camera.

Rich, Sep 11, 2011
17. ### Robert CoeGuest

: :
: > On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:45:02 -0400, PeterN
: >: On 9/9/2011 12:49 AM, Savageduck wrote:
: >: > On 2011-09-08 21:38:38 -0700, RichA <> said:
: >: >
: >: >> Kind of odd, unless they aren't releasing one this month.
: >: >
: >: > Why worry?
: >: > We all know you aren't going to like anything about it regardless
: >: > of what it might turn out to be.
: >: >
: >:
: >: Nor have we heard any news of a Nikkor 12-1,000 f2.0 zoom mirror, VR
: >: with autofocus.
: >
: > What we need to know about that lens is whether it will have a focus
: > motor.
: >
: > And of course Rich needs to know whether the barrel will be metal or
: > plastic.
: >
: > Bob
: >
:
: Rumour is, "plastic" unfortunately. The fact they went from plastic with
: the D90 to metal with the D7000 proves Nikon sees the value and is simply
: trying to keep the perceived value of its DSLR's higher while it
: introduces a potentially half-baked mirror-less camera.

Don't you get it? If they fully baked the camera, the plastic body would melt.

But actually, Peter and I were talking about that hot new superzoom lens.
Shame on your sources for apparently not letting you in on that rumor.

Bob

Robert Coe, Sep 11, 2011
18. ### PeterNGuest

It's not a rumor. I have that information on the highest authority, but
cannot reveal my source.

PeterN, Sep 11, 2011
19. ### Neil HarringtonGuest

For body alone? I would think in order to be competitive it would have to
sell for about \$600 *with* the kit lens, as the D3100 does.

Yes, a D3100 surely will be somewhat bigger and heavier, but if the ILC is
not pocketable I'm not sure how much difference it makes. The D3100 is a
pretty light thing to hang around your neck. Will buyers will willing to pay
for something even lighter (but with substantially smaller sensor and
perhaps other drawbacks)? I don't know.
The original patent drawings of the lens mount show it with *two* apparent
screwdriver-type couplings, top and bottom. ( ?! ) The "mock-up" now shown
doesn't have those, but does have 12 contacts. Rxisting Nikon DSLRs and
lenses have no more than 10 contacts. So evidently there are some functions
existing lenses would not support.

Of course all this is just rumor and guesswork until we actually see the
product.

Neil Harrington, Sep 12, 2011
20. ### GuestGuest

it's not an slr, so slr pricing makes little difference. whatever price
it ends up being and whether it can justify it remains to be seen.

Guest, Sep 12, 2011