No leaks of Nikon mirror-less yet?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Sep 9, 2011.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Kind of odd, unless they aren't releasing one this month.
     
    RichA, Sep 9, 2011
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  2. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    Why worry?
    We all know you aren't going to like anything about it regardless of
    what it might turn out to be.
     
    Savageduck, Sep 9, 2011
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  3. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Curiosity does not = worry.
     
    RichA, Sep 9, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    Nor have we heard any news of a Nikkor 12-1,000 f2.0 zoom mirror, VR
    with autofocus.
     
    PeterN, Sep 10, 2011
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  5. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    Yup! You're quite curious.
     
    PeterN, Sep 10, 2011
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  6. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    Not until now. Curses!
     
    Savageduck, Sep 10, 2011
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  7. RichA

    Rich Guest

    I see Nikon stocked jumped 6% on word a mirrorless might be released.
    But, if some people are right and they are releasing one with a small
    sensor so as not to cut into higher quality DSLR sales...
     
    Rich, Sep 10, 2011
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  8. Here's a rumor:

    http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/09/nikon-v1-and-j1-the-new-mirrorless-cameras-from-nikon.aspx
    In my humble view success or fail of the above boils down to price. A
    competitively priced body around say 500 USD, and I believe it can be a
    success. OTHO if Nikon's aims is closer to 1000 USD a lot of casual
    consumers will start to question the specs, and prefer the competition with
    their m43 and aps-c sensors.

    My priorities seems to be covered: viewfinder (check), wide bright pancake
    (semi check), and not too many megapixels (check).

    I completely trust Nikon to be able to compete in image quality with the
    current m43 crowd, despite a smaller sensor. I do wonder if it will have
    inherited any of the ergonomics I enjoy in Nikon's DSLR line.
     
    Fredrik Jonson, Sep 10, 2011
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  9. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    So now you're a market analyst too. <\\end dripping sarcasm>
     
    PeterN, Sep 10, 2011
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  10. Body alone for $500? I'm not so sure about that, but then it depends on what
    it offers and how the lenses are priced. If the J1 as described above turns
    out to be really nice, and the lenses are very reasonable, then maybe. But
    you can get a new D3100 with the very nice 18-55 VR kit lens for $600, and
    that's what a lot of potential buyers are likely to be comparing it with.

    They'll certainly sell some at any price to those who Must Have The Latest
    Thing, but after that crowd have bought theirs . . . ?
    Right. And that pancake is the only thing that's going to make it
    pocketable, which in turn is the only thing I can see that gives it any real
    advantage over a small-body DSLR like the D3100. Smaller is nice anyway of
    course, and cuter, but will that be enough?
    I'm wondering if that expected F-mount adapter will provide full
    functionality with existing lenses.
     
    Neil Harrington, Sep 10, 2011
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  11. RichA

    Guest Guest

    a d3100 will be bigger and heavier and the rumoured price is higher
    than $500.
    it will no doubt require af-s lenses and probably g as well.
     
    Guest, Sep 10, 2011
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  12. RichA

    Bruce Guest


    There will be two camera bodies at launch, one with an EVF and one
    without. Both will have 10 MP sensors with an approx. 2.7X
    multiplication factor.

    Initially there will be four lenses:

    10mm f/2.8 pancake (28mm equivalent)
    10-30mm VR compact 'kit' zoom (28-80mm equivalent)
    10-100mm 10X VR super zoom (28-280mm equivalent)
    30-110mm VR tele zoom (80-300mm equvalent)

    There will be an F mount adapter.

    To be announced September 21, 2011.
     
    Bruce, Sep 10, 2011
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  13. RichA

    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 9/9/2011 12:49 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    : > On 2011-09-08 21:38:38 -0700, RichA <> said:
    : >
    : >> Kind of odd, unless they aren't releasing one this month.
    : >
    : > Why worry?
    : > We all know you aren't going to like anything about it regardless of
    : > what it might turn out to be.
    : >
    :
    : Nor have we heard any news of a Nikkor 12-1,000 f2.0 zoom mirror, VR
    : with autofocus.

    What we need to know about that lens is whether it will have a focus motor.

    And of course Rich needs to know whether the barrel will be metal or plastic.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 11, 2011
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  14. RichA

    Robert Coe Guest

    : $-secrets.com:
    :
    : > On 9/9/2011 12:49 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    : >> On 2011-09-08 21:38:38 -0700, RichA <> said:
    : >>
    : >>> Kind of odd, unless they aren't releasing one this month.
    : >>
    : >> Why worry?
    : >> We all know you aren't going to like anything about it regardless of
    : >> what it might turn out to be.
    : >>
    : >
    : > Nor have we heard any news of a Nikkor 12-1,000 f2.0 zoom mirror, VR
    : > with autofocus.
    : >
    :
    : I see Nikon stocked jumped 6% on word a mirrorless might be released.
    : But, if some people are right and they are releasing one with a small
    : sensor so as not to cut into higher quality DSLR sales...

    I recall that we were told (by you?) that "some people" were predicting a
    small sensor, but I'd bet money that the stated reason for it was something
    that you flatly made up. How do you know that it isn't simply to make the
    camera smaller, while establishing a quality point above that of existing
    P&Ses, most of which already have very small sensors? And if they don't want
    to try to compete with their DSLR product line, why is that stupid and why do
    you care? If the new line of cameras happens to revolutionize the small-camera
    market, Nikon stands to make a lot of money; if it doesn't, they may lose
    their shirts. That's the free enterprise system, which I think you sometimes
    profess to support.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 11, 2011
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  15. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    It will have a focus motor, that will only operate if used in a camera
    without one built into the body. It will also be available with an
    interchangeable "adapt-a mount." So it will be usable on both Nikon &
    Canon, even the old film versions.
     
    PeterN, Sep 11, 2011
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  16. RichA

    Rich Guest

    Rumour is, "plastic" unfortunately. The fact they went from plastic with
    the D90 to metal with the D7000 proves Nikon sees the value and is simply
    trying to keep the perceived value of its DSLR's higher while it
    introduces a potentially half-baked mirror-less camera.
     
    Rich, Sep 11, 2011
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  17. RichA

    Robert Coe Guest

    : :
    : > On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:45:02 -0400, PeterN
    : >: On 9/9/2011 12:49 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    : >: > On 2011-09-08 21:38:38 -0700, RichA <> said:
    : >: >
    : >: >> Kind of odd, unless they aren't releasing one this month.
    : >: >
    : >: > Why worry?
    : >: > We all know you aren't going to like anything about it regardless
    : >: > of what it might turn out to be.
    : >: >
    : >:
    : >: Nor have we heard any news of a Nikkor 12-1,000 f2.0 zoom mirror, VR
    : >: with autofocus.
    : >
    : > What we need to know about that lens is whether it will have a focus
    : > motor.
    : >
    : > And of course Rich needs to know whether the barrel will be metal or
    : > plastic.
    : >
    : > Bob
    : >
    :
    : Rumour is, "plastic" unfortunately. The fact they went from plastic with
    : the D90 to metal with the D7000 proves Nikon sees the value and is simply
    : trying to keep the perceived value of its DSLR's higher while it
    : introduces a potentially half-baked mirror-less camera.

    Don't you get it? If they fully baked the camera, the plastic body would melt.

    But actually, Peter and I were talking about that hot new superzoom lens.
    Shame on your sources for apparently not letting you in on that rumor.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 11, 2011
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  18. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    It's not a rumor. I have that information on the highest authority, but
    cannot reveal my source.
     
    PeterN, Sep 11, 2011
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  19. For body alone? I would think in order to be competitive it would have to
    sell for about $600 *with* the kit lens, as the D3100 does.

    Yes, a D3100 surely will be somewhat bigger and heavier, but if the ILC is
    not pocketable I'm not sure how much difference it makes. The D3100 is a
    pretty light thing to hang around your neck. Will buyers will willing to pay
    for something even lighter (but with substantially smaller sensor and
    perhaps other drawbacks)? I don't know.
    The original patent drawings of the lens mount show it with *two* apparent
    screwdriver-type couplings, top and bottom. ( ?! ) The "mock-up" now shown
    doesn't have those, but does have 12 contacts. Rxisting Nikon DSLRs and
    lenses have no more than 10 contacts. So evidently there are some functions
    existing lenses would not support.

    Of course all this is just rumor and guesswork until we actually see the
    product.
     
    Neil Harrington, Sep 12, 2011
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  20. RichA

    Guest Guest

    it's not an slr, so slr pricing makes little difference. whatever price
    it ends up being and whether it can justify it remains to be seen.
     
    Guest, Sep 12, 2011
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