No more Kodak 35-mm film!

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by slideshow, Jan 13, 2004.

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    slideshow Guest

    CNN is running a story that Kodak will stop producing 35-mm film for
    hand loaded cameras like the venerable SLR and point/click types. They
    didn't say how soon this will happen. Hard to believe but I guess it's
    slideshow, Jan 13, 2004
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    The Wogster Guest

    Seriously I doubt the story, for a couple of reasons, first film is still
    a huge hunk of their sales, and probably half that is 35mm. It's a mature
    product, so the costs are just labour and materials, and shipping. It's
    also a disposable product, in that people with film cameras need to keep
    buying it.

    If the story is true, then Fuji, Agfa, Ilford and the other film makers will be
    jumping for joy. Kodak dropping out of the market, would mean a massive
    increase in business for all of them. George Eastman should hit about
    145rpm rolling in his grave by the time this is confirmed.

    The Wogster, Jan 13, 2004
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    The Wogster Guest

    More info off the net, Kodak will stop producing 35mm CAMERAS at least for
    NA and the EU, nothing more stated about stopping film production.....

    The Wogster, Jan 13, 2004
  4. If that's true, buy Fuji stock!

    Bart van der Wolf, Jan 13, 2004
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    ChrisJ9876 Guest

    From: slideshow
    maybe you'd like to provide a link to that story, because i sure didn't find
    any such thing searching But I did find a Reuters article which
    indicates just the opposite. It did say that Kodak plans to stop selling
    "traditional film cameras" in the US.
    ChrisJ9876, Jan 13, 2004
  6. Nice try. WRONG!!!!! Get your facts straight before you post something like

    Kodak is going to stop selling APS and 35mm cameras in the Western
    Hemisphere and concentrate on digital products in western markets. All film
    R&D and sales, however, will continue:

    "Underscoring its dedication to the film category, Kodak has introduced
    eight new films and photofinishing services in the last two years,
    including KODAK 35 MM and APS High Definition Film, KODAK PLUSDigital one-
    time-use-camera and KODAK PERFECT TOUCH processing. Kodak will continue to
    provide innovative film products that meet new channel needs and drive new
    consumer applications."

    "Live fast. Die young." (Nikki Sixx)

    -Richard Cockburn

    Richard Cockburn, Jan 13, 2004
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    Bandicoot Guest

    Less than a year ago I was at a Kodak Professional sponsored conference and
    they were at great pains to emphasise their continuing committment to film.
    True talk is cheap, but they've invested a lot in new emulsions recently,
    and even Kodak isn't stupid enough to cut something which is - pure and
    simple - a massive part of their cashflow stream.

    Bandicoot, Jan 13, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Beyond being contrary to Kodak's statements in press releases and Annual
    Report, you have been a bit stingy with "source" references. There is
    no such story on the CNN website, either.
    Alan Browne, Jan 13, 2004
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    PSsquare Guest

    This reminds me of the fellow who pulled the trigger before he loaded the
    gun. He was concentrating on the target so hard that he forgot he needed
    some ammunition.

    PSsquare, Jan 13, 2004
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    Gregg Guest

    Total BS. Kodak is ceasing production of 35 mm CAMERAS, NOT FILM!

    Get it straight and stop posting crap to the NG
    Gregg, Jan 13, 2004
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Idiot or troll?
    Whichever, it's time for the killfile.
    Tony Spadaro, Jan 13, 2004
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    Jean Guest

    | CNN is running a story that Kodak will stop producing 35-mm film for
    | hand loaded cameras like the venerable SLR and point/click types. They
    | didn't say how soon this will happen. Hard to believe but I guess it's
    | inevitable.

    The story I saw on Yahoo (AP release) stated that Kodak will stop making
    APS and 35 mm cameras. The article emphasized that Kodak is still committed
    to supporting and inproving film. This is at odds with the CNN story you
    cite. Hopefully the AP release is correct. Excerpts from the AP article:

    "Kodak said Tuesday it will stop manufacturing reloadable APS cameras by
    the end of 2004 but will continue to make, and upgrade, APS film and
    one-time-use cameras. "

    "The world's biggest photography company also will stop making 35mm
    reloadable cameras in North America and Western Europe by year-end. But it
    plans to expand manufacturing in Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe,
    where the 35mm market is still growing at a double-digit clip."

    "In the conventional photography business, which still provides the bulk of
    its profits, Kodak is shifting its investment into the film and
    photofinishing sectors. It plans to launch new high-performance APS and
    35mm films next month."

    "Kodak "will remain committed to manufacturing and marketing the world's
    highest quality film," said Bernard Masson, president of Kodak's digital
    and film imaging systems division."
    Jean, Jan 13, 2004
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    Jim Waggener Guest

    I don't know why they are bothering with APS. Is anybody making new APS
    Jim Waggener, Jan 13, 2004
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    Nick Zentena Guest

    Because people are still buying APS film.

    Nick Zentena, Jan 13, 2004
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    Peter Chant Guest

    Disposables as well?

    To be honest I would not have been surprised if they had stopped making
    35mm film cameras a while back. Do their film camera sales compare with
    those of the other manufacturers?
    Peter Chant, Jan 13, 2004
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    Jeremy Guest

    Some are still being sold, although the typical buyer has no idea what
    he/she is getting into. The negative size is smaller than 35mm and the
    film/processing is more expensive.

    It was a nice idea, but it came too late. Kodak has typically come up with
    consumer formats that made it easy ("automatic") for consumers to get images
    that were acceptably exposed. Point & Shoots, with their inexpensive--but
    effective--automation, killed APS.

    I know that a lot of people on these photo NGs are critical of Kodak, but I
    continue to give Kodak credit for taking risks and trying to keep consumer
    photography uncomplicated and fun for the typical home user. There are
    millions of images documenting family events--imperfect though they may
    be--that would never have existed had it not been for Kodak and their
    numerous lines of consumer cameras and film formats.

    As someone that has a keen interest in genealogy, I am particularly
    sensitive to the the importance of those old family photos. Most of them do
    not even approach being artistic, but they have a value all their own,
    because they often serve as the only photographic documentation of many
    important family events.

    Lots of us have photos of long-dead ancestors--people that passed on before
    we were even born--people whose likenesses we would never have seen, had it
    not been for the existence of some photo taken with Kodak consumer gear, by
    someone that probably knew only enough about photography to "aim and push
    the button." ANY image is better than NO image.

    And how many advanced amateurs and/or professionals first became interested
    in photography after having used one of those family cameras, like the
    Brownie or the Instamatic or those older folding cameras? There is no way
    to know how much of an impact Kodak's consumer stuff had in developing
    peoples' interest in taking photography further.
    Jeremy, Jan 13, 2004
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    Jeremy Guest

    Kodak had a compelling product line, back when their major competitors were
    Keystone and Ansco. That was back in the days before Point & Shoots from
    major Japanese manufacturers.

    Somehow, Kodak doesn't cut it in comparison to Nikon, Minolta, Pentax, Canon
    and Olympus P&S cameras . . .

    They were having the same brand-consciousness problem in their digital
    offerings, but they are trying to turn that around with the latest crop of
    Easy Share cameras, featuring Schneider lenses. I think they've got a leg
    up over Carl Zeiss, for example. Zeiss puts their lenses on expensive Sony
    cameras and even more expensive (and less-featured) Contax digital. Kodak's
    models, with their Schneider lenses, are priced significantly less than Sony
    and Contax (and Leica, for that matter). Coupled with their combination
    docking stations/printers, Kodak is agressively competing in the newest
    consumer marketplace.

    Now if they could only find a way to shed that consumer image that
    accompanies any camera that is badged as a "Kodak . . . "
    Jeremy, Jan 13, 2004
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    Interesting article, particularly this bit:

    "Kodak will still make film for existing Advantix and other cameras, and
    intends to introduce new high-performance 35 millimeter and Advanced Photo
    System films next month."

    After the announcement a few months ago about no consumer film developments,
    it looks like they do not want to lose more ground to Fuji and AGFA.

    It really does make sense for them to stop making cameras, except for
    disposables. While it may be a traditional part of Kodak, it never has seemed
    that they made much money from camera sales, at least going by their
    financial reports.

    Also interesting that emerging market one time use camera sales are on the
    rise. It was three years ago that Kodak executives reported their desire to
    more aggressively pursue emerging markets, and it finally sounds like
    something is working right.


    Gordon Moat
    Alliance Graphique Studio
    Gordon Moat, Jan 13, 2004
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