no post production pls

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Rick Merrill, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. Rick Merrill

    Rick Merrill Guest

    We want to make a weekly production, about an hour long,
    that cuts out parts and uses wipes, overlaps, and so on
    and make a DVD from the end result with no further editing.

    How can we do this?

    Comsumer DVD Camcorders do this, but none I've seen take
    external inputs. (from computer and other cameras).

    Mixers I've seen do this, but only with two or more video feeds.

    Are there mixers that will remember/store the last, say, 3 seconds
    in order to do overlap transitions?
    Rick Merrill, Jul 1, 2008
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    ushere Guest

    judging from your question, and without meaning to be rude or offensive,
    i really think it would be worth your while paying for a couple of hours
    guidance from a professional producer. alternatively, find a short video
    production course near you. ng's are probably one of the most useful
    tools around, but they don't make up for a basic understanding of
    production concepts....

    good luck

    ushere, Jul 1, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    Is that a critique of my vocabulary? It's true that I don't know nor
    use the buzzwords properly.

    This is an equipment question: can ANYthing other than a dvd-camcorder
    do fades and crossovers 'en passant'?
    Rick Merrill, Jul 1, 2008
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    David McCall Guest

    No camcorders that I've seen will take in external video from a
    computer much less dissolve or wipe to it.

    In fact it can be a chore just getting stuff out of a computer and on to
    and have it look decent.

    There are switchers that will take in a varity of inputs and output video
    that can then be recorded. Perhaps something like a VideoToaster
    from Newtek would meet your needs. I don't know if they do HiDef yet,
    but it might be worth taking a look at. I don't think it is quite what you
    were hoping for, but it might do.

    David McCall, Jul 1, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    Thanks for the link: "switcher inputs, including all cameras and DDRs."
    If the "Digital Disk Recorder" had a feature like 'retro record' then
    it might very well be able to blend the next recorded segment with the
    last few seconds of the previously recorded segment.

    High Def is not currently a requirement, but it can't hurt can it?
    Rick Merrill, Jul 1, 2008
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    blackburst Guest

    I don't believe it can be done with anything other than straight cuts.
    To the best of my knowledge, no.

    Here's a couple of possibilities:
    Use a DDR; instead of hitting STOP when you go to another segment, hit
    PAUSE, then PAUSE again to start the new segment. It will do a
    seamless cut.

    You can also do some rudimentary editing on a Hard Drive recorder/DDR.
    It is nondestructive - it doesn't actually change the program; it just
    changes which segments it plays back. The transitions are pretty good,
    but not really tight. Then you playback the Hard Drive recording and
    re-record it onto a master DVD.

    You might also want to consider a REALLY basic NLE, like an old Avio
    Casablanca. Ingest your segments into it; program some really simple
    transitions, and dump it to a DVD recorder.
    blackburst, Jul 2, 2008
  7. Blackburst has given you the best answer you're going to get.

    Myself, I would recommend you get a video toaster and just run the
    built-in hard drive recorder in it while you do all your effects and
    switching live. Then, it is a simple matter to make wholesale section
    deletions on the toaster's editing timeline, click-drag, snip-snip,
    add a dissolve with one click, done, ready to play-out or send to the
    Toaster's DVD creation program for authoring and burning to disk. Your
    "editing" would only take a handful of minutes, but give you the
    precision control and ability to un-do the decisions that hand-copying
    between DVD recorders would not.
    nobody special, Jul 2, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    I agree. Did you hear me complaining?

    I just might have to do that. I can do it now with MVW, but all those
    little details are a PITA.

    "video toaster: n. Historically, an Amiga fitted with a particular line
    of special video effects hardware from NewTek"
    But it doesn't handle HDTV, yet.
    Rick Merrill, Jul 2, 2008
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    David McCall Guest

    I used to have 2 Amigas with Toasters in my suite,
    Plus one with a SuperGen ans one with that card that came from Australia.
    I also had a 12 channel composite switcher to tie it all together.
    We could do layers in real-time :)

    I think we sold the whole pile for $1100

    The original Toaster was very hardware bound.
    The current version makes better use of your CPUs.
    Upgrad your system and it gets better.
    Multi CPUs are a plus.
    They specify that you have a software RAID though (probably just a stripe

    David McCall, Jul 2, 2008
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    ushere Guest

    hi rick,

    and sorry for the delay in replying - too much work, too little play
    makes jack....

    i wasn't intending ANY form of criticism or condescension with my
    suggestion you hire the services of a pro to help sort out your needs,
    nor implying your level of intelligence by suggesting a short course.

    what you're asking for is both quite specific, and rather 'rare' in this
    age of digital production. blackburst's suggestions are probably as good as
    it's going to get over the net - but if you're going to invest time and
    money in this project AND not want to lose both (along with hair),
    getting set up correctly to start with is a MUST! and i doubt that a few
    well thought out ideas given over the net is the answer, however 'right'
    they may seem. you really need to sit down with someone who knows what's
    available, it's cost, and most importantly, its suitability for your

    good luck,

    ushere, Jul 3, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    Thanks, but the hair is pretty much a done deal!

    I've been using a DVD camcorder which lets us be
    done and run. There do not appear to be any alternatives.

    Rick Merrill, Jul 3, 2008
  12. If you have not seen the modern Newtek Video Toaster or Tricaster, you
    need to take another look. Not on Amiga anymore, they scream along on
    multiproc wintel boxes. The Tricaster is a portable, near-shoebox-
    sized version that does most of what the larger one does, plus
    internet streaming. All self-contained.

    Your crying about no HD capability makes little sense, seeing as
    you're shooting on a DVD camcorder right now. The Toaster or Tricaster
    is going to blow you away. Take into account you're getting ALL the
    extra functions, bells and whistles in one box: that's a cheaper way
    than assembling many separate units and getting them hooked together
    nobody special, Jul 4, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    at 8 grand and 10 lbs it may do the job!

    Rick Merrill, Jul 4, 2008
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