No real photography discussio?

Discussion in 'Australia Photography' started by Welsh Dog, Nov 29, 2008.

  1. Welsh Dog

    Welsh Dog Guest

    Dropped by in the hopes of picking up tips on photography etc and
    found a group full of trolls and idiots fighting with each other.

    Has this place *really* died or is it a passing phase??

    Welshdog
    --

    News and views... for people like youse!!

    Australian Opinion
    Now finally at http://australianopinion.com.au
     
    Welsh Dog, Nov 29, 2008
    #1
    1. Advertisements

  2. Welsh Dog

    Jeßus Guest

    Might be a clash of personalities... nobody 'clicks' anymore.
     
    Jeßus, Nov 30, 2008
    #2
    1. Advertisements

  3. Welsh Dog

    Welsh Dog Guest

    Heh. :)

    That *was* a pun wasn't it?? I can be a bit slow with them sometimes!
    :)

    I've not been in aus.photo for years... it's in a worse state than
    ever it used to be. Sad really. I bought this Fuji bridge camera and
    hope to find some sensible support.

    Looks it's back to the Web forums for me! Mine only has kyte who's the
    resident expert on everything so I'll need to find a dedicated
    photo-site... there are lots... just few Australian ones.

    (we have 'special' conditions here what with the light and flat
    scenery etc! :))

    Welshdog
    --

    News and views... for people like youse!!

    Australian Opinion
    Now finally at http://australianopinion.com.au
     
    Welsh Dog, Nov 30, 2008
    #3
  4. Welsh Dog

    Jeßus Guest

    Yep, it was :)
    I'm a semi-frequent visitor to this group, don't post much here, but it
    seemed fairly active only a month or so back.
    Oh the humanity...

    I hate to say it, but it seems clear (to me anyway) that Usenet as a
    whole has gone into quite a decline, particularly this year.
    Yep, that we do.
     
    Jeßus, Nov 30, 2008
    #4
  5. Welsh Dog

    Phred Guest

    I hate to say it, but it seems clear (to me anyway) that Usenet as a
    whole has gone into quite a decline, particularly this year.[/QUOTE]

    The people who are old enough to know what USENET was meant to be (and
    once was) are now dying off -- and with each passing year they will
    die off quicker until there are none left. :-(

    ObPhoto:

    I was looking at some old slides last night. The Kodachromes from the
    60s are still very good; the Ektachromes from the late 70s/early 80s
    are pretty well buggered. Thankfully, I went back to using KR135
    after five or six years wandering in the darkness. But, of course,
    Kodak took that option from us a few years ago. :-(

    Cheers, Phred.
     
    Phred, Nov 30, 2008
    #5
  6. Welsh Dog

    Noons Guest

    Phred wrote,on my timestamp of 30/11/2008 8:32 PM:
    The people who are old enough to know what USENET was meant to be (and
    once was) are now dying off -- and with each passing year they will
    die off quicker until there are none left. :-([/QUOTE]


    Speak for yourself!...


    My KR135 stuff from as early as 1960 is in "as new" state.
    Ekta64 slides from the early 80s are in good nick but I've started
    to scan. So is the Fuji stuff. Most of the slide Agfa stuff
    is gone, some I caught in time, others, oh well...
    And colour negatives are starting to get worse and worse, no matter
    what brand.
    B&W is all in perfect condition.
     
    Noons, Nov 30, 2008
    #6
  7. Welsh Dog

    Welsh Dog Guest

     
    Welsh Dog, Nov 30, 2008
    #7
  8. Welsh Dog

    Noons Guest

    Welsh Dog wrote,on my timestamp of 1/12/2008 10:05 AM:
    You take it wrong. Kodachrome is still being made and
    new film reaching the market all the time. It's just a
    very small market. And it;s not sold in Australia anymore,
    which is the point the OP was making.

    Actually, it's never been cheaper...
     
    Noons, Dec 1, 2008
    #8
  9. Welsh Dog

    Welsh Dog Guest

    Seems to me you are blissfully unaware of the end of line approaching
    then??

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.kodachrome28sep28,0,932687.story
    When I was using it it weren't cheap!!! But all things are relative.

    Welshdog
    --

    News and views... for people like youse!!

    Australian Opinion
    Now finally at http://australianopinion.com.au
     
    Welsh Dog, Dec 1, 2008
    #9
  10. Welsh Dog

    Noons Guest

    Welsh Dog wrote,on my timestamp of 1/12/2008 8:10 PM:
    Seems to me that you're putting the cart before the
    ox in announcing it's already not available when
    clearly, simply and totally, it is available and still
    being made.
    Welcome to 3 months ago news. Been discussed
    ad nauseum since then.
    If you want to know what's going on with film,
    go to a place where its users congregate. Not some crappy
    local newspaper pining for nostalgia.

    Try APUG, for example.
    It doesn't change the simple fact it's never been as cheap.
    Couldn't care less what it was when you or anyone
    else were using film.
     
    Noons, Dec 1, 2008
    #10
  11. Welsh Dog

    Welsh Dog Guest

    Ah well... typical newsgroup response. Since you can't communicate
    without the aggro I'll go find a web based form where people talk
    civilly to each other.

    Careful not to choke on that bile... y'hear?

    Welshdog
    --

    News and views... for people like youse!!

    Australian Opinion
    Now finally at http://australianopinion.com.au
     
    Welsh Dog, Dec 1, 2008
    #11
  12. Welsh Dog

    Noons Guest

    Yeayea, now: piss off and stay off,
    miserable troll.
     
    Noons, Dec 2, 2008
    #12
  13. Welsh Dog

    Jeßus Guest

    Sheesh, /some/ of them may be dying off, but I think many of the 'old
    timers' on Usenet would still be under 60 y/o :)

    Indeed, very sad. Back in the day when I was near obsessed with
    photgraphy, I always used Kodachrome 25 & 64 - unless I was going for a
    different colour temperature or grain look. I'd love to scan my trannies
    (and even negatives) to digital, but the cost is prohibitive :(
     
    Jeßus, Dec 4, 2008
    #13
  14. Welsh Dog

    Jeßus Guest

    Is anyone importing it to Aus, either for own use or re-selling?
    If so, I guess that implies theyre also getting it processed OS?
    I never thought it was particulary expensive, at least not during the
    1980's anyway. In fact, I always thought it was pretty good value,
    considering the processing cost was included in the price.
     
    Jeßus, Dec 4, 2008
    #14
  15. Welsh Dog

    Noons Guest


    No need to have a middleman importer: just get it from B&H, Henry's
    or
    directly from Dwayne's. Watch out for shipping fees, the ones from
    B&H
    are outrageous...
    Processing is by sending directly to Dwayne's: there is an order
    form in their site for this.


    I guess if processing was still available in Australia somewhere
    pricing would be much better. Right now, shipping is by far the
    biggestr component of the overall cost. That won't be fixed easily
    unless there are nearer/cheaper processing centres.
     
    Noons, Dec 5, 2008
    #15
  16. Welsh Dog

    Noons Guest

    Ah, you know, for this web2 generation, anything over
    19 is "old"...
    :)
    Why? Get a flatbed scanner and take off! It's really not that
    expensive,
    if you look at it as an alternative to the idiot box?
     
    Noons, Dec 5, 2008
    #16
  17. Welsh Dog

    Phred Guest

    I saw some discussion recently (where?) that suggested scanning
    Kodachromes is not simple if you want high quality results.

    There seem to be two problems that interfere with colour rendition,
    focusing, and blemish removal. One is the dye used and the other is
    the "relief" on the surface of the slides (easily seen with the eye).

    The article implied these problems could be overcome with specialist
    gear, but typical retail scanners can't give really good results.

    If you have practical experience with scanning Kodachrome slides then
    I would be very interested to hear details of your experience.


    Cheers, Phred.
     
    Phred, Dec 5, 2008
    #17
  18. Welsh Dog

    Noons Guest

    Phred wrote,on my timestamp of 6/12/2008 12:41 AM:
    No scanning is simple if you want high quality results.
    Not just 'chromes.
    Narh. Some film scanners show a cyan cast with 'chromes. This
    can be corrected with a firmware update for Nikon's old
    IV/4000 and 8000 film scanners, for example. No need for any
    updates with the newer V/5000 and 9000.

    Flatbeds don't usually have this problem but they have
    nowhere near the quality of the Nikons either.
    There is some major nonsense out there about scanning 'chromes.
    What you have to understand is that most sites talking about
    this stuff were written years ago, using much older scanners
    and old techniques. Like everything else, scanners and the
    techniques used with them have evolved. The sites have not.

    Any Nikon Coolscan V, 5000 or 9000 will scan 'chromes without the
    slightest worry. You may have to adjust the colour balance
    before each scan. But if you want high quality scans you'll have
    to do that anyway, with ANY colour film.

    Nikon film scanners are very good in that they allow you to adjust
    colour balance with the lighting itself, rather than post-processing
    with curves. However, nothing to stop you from doing it with PS
    or other editors. Just make sure you use 14 or 16-bit colour to
    avoid banding: don't even try it with final output jpgs.

    Here are some:
    http://wizofoz2k.deviantart.com/art/Antipodeans-48682464
    http://wizofoz2k.deviantart.com/art/chill-island-48915488
    http://wizofoz2k.deviantart.com/art/mr2-and-isa-03-62707805
    (click on images to see larger)

    These were originally scanned with my 9000 but the coolscan
    V/5000 will do as good a job and be a lot cheaper. These are of
    course downressed: the original scans are huge >20MP images, with
    heaps more detail.

    You won't get results as good with flatbeds but if you
    stay around 3400 resolution or lower it should
    be very close, particularly at this small size.

    In APUG's sister site for digital stuff,
    http://www.hybridphoto.com/forums/home.php
    you'll find heaps of info and advice from folks
    with lots of experience and who do scan NOW,
    as opposed to "years ago". There is also some
    good advice in photo-i's forum:
    http://www.photo-i.co.uk/BB/index.php
    but be careful with the older stuff,
    same problem as I mentioned before.
    This is also a good reference:
    http://www.marginalsoftware.com/index.html
    particularly for Nikon film scanners, but again:
    careful with the old stuff.


    Another thing: don't think that HQ scanning is just a
    wham-bam-scan-done process. If you want top quality,
    be prepared for some serious post-processing and
    a long learning curve.

    I scan always at the highest quality, 16-bit and
    save files in TIFF format, which uses a lot of disk.
    These are then extensively post-processed, first to
    reduce scanner and film grain effects with Neat Image,
    then with editors for cropping and colour fine tunning,
    then finally with Focus Magic to apply adequate sharpening
    for whatever purposes I want the image: more for printing,
    less for web. Final step is downressing for web and saving
    in jpg.

    Most of all that jazz can be batched and automated, but
    some can't. Think of it as the same amount of work as you
    have when using RAW in digital cameras, with all the
    post-processing that is needed. Similar amount of work,
    although slightly more for scanning.

    Of course: if all you want is to "scan the memories"
    and you don't give a hoot if the results are the best
    possible, ignore all the above, get a cheap film or
    flatbed scanner from ebay and off you go. ;)
     
    Noons, Dec 6, 2008
    #18
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.