Not a bird

Discussion in 'Photography' started by PeterN, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    On 1/3/2014 1:50 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:

    Seems to be working fine for me.
     
    PeterN, Jan 3, 2014
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  2. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    Nor should you. As you ae aware, I am far from bashful, and have a
    pretty thick skin.
    Yes I feel good when others like my images. But, I do not want, or need
    false praise. when you don't like something I produce, I hope you tell
    me how you feel, and more importantly, why.
    It takes a lot of effort to be critical, and the effort is appreciated.
    Also, please don't take my rebuttal as a personal thing.
     
    PeterN, Jan 3, 2014
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  3. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    I try to do that.
    \early morning light has a bad habit of changing rapidly, as does
    evening light.

    there is no question that I am having some exposure issues. This morning
    I was getting the blinkies with a 1.7 underexposure, when someone who
    was shooting right next to me was not, using .3 underexposure. I
    suspect what the issue is, and will try to correct it this evening.
     
    PeterN, Jan 3, 2014
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  4. PeterN

    me Guest

    Art is in the eye of the beholder, but sometimes you just wonder. In a
    local paper here:


    02 January 2014 | 11:49 AM
    Local nature photographer places in national contest
    Posted to: 2013 Great Backyard Bird Count photo contest Stuart
    McCausland

    Three cheers for Stuart McCausland who has won second place in the
    composition catergory of the 2013 Great Backyard Bird Count photo
    contest.

    http://media.hamptonroads.com/cache/files/images/blogs/177611.jpg

    “Congratulations!” the judges wrote to McCausland. “On behalf of the
    Cornell Lab of Ornithology, Audubon, and Bird Studies Canada, I am
    delighted to inform you that your haunting image of a hazy river with
    a Great Blue Heron and a crow won second place in the composition
    category of the 2013 Great Backyard Bird Count photo contest!

    “I am attaching a certificate you can print to commemorate this
    achievement,” the judges went on. “And believe me, it is an
    achievement! We had nearly 7,000 images entered into the contest and,
    as always, it was agonizing to try to narrow down the choices. But you
    made the cut!”

    McCausland, who lives in Brigadoon in Virginia Beach, took his photo
    in Brigadoon Community Park, not far from his home.

    Just goes to show there’s no place like home for a great photo.
     
    me, Jan 3, 2014
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  5. PeterN

    me Guest


    You might consider a change in technique, using one of which I make
    frequent use of with a D300+200-400mm f/4VR+TC14. Use autoiso in
    Aperture priority mode.

    In autoiso mode set:
    - maximum allowable iso
    and
    - minimum shutter speed

    Use Aperture priority and set your desired F-stop. The camera will
    keep increasing iso until the exposure program is happy with the
    exposure up until the max allowable iso is hit.

    This keeps the aperture fixed but floats the iso as needed as the
    available light capture by your exposure subject changes.
     
    me, Jan 3, 2014
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  6. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    Just to be clear; you see the head and eyes as OOF?
    So shadows exist as you well know from what you have shared with us,
    and in this image it is of no particular consequence.
    <
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/20131222_Sanibel birds_0118UMw.jpg
    They are?
    Well as I told Tony the plumage is quite vivid and if you actually look
    you might actually see that detail.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 3, 2014
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  7. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    We wouldn't learn a thing if we did, so I don't take rebuttal or
    critique personally unless it is aimed at the heart, so to speak.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 3, 2014
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  8. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    Huh!
    If I said that was OOF, I certainly didn't mean to. I meant to say, WRT
    that image, that I had an issue with the right side of the eye blending
    into the shadow near the bill area. My comment was WRT your images in
    general, and then I made specific comments on each image.
    Please also note, that if my image is OOF, that doesn't put your's in focus.
     
    PeterN, Jan 3, 2014
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  9. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    I disagree. To me, the eye is the key to a good bird image. In your
    image is is almost non-existent
    OK now you reminded me. I should have said that some of the white
    feathers are not as sharp as I think they should be. Particularly those
    in shadow area.
     
    PeterN, Jan 3, 2014
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  10. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    Thanks.
    I tried that yesterday strictly as a test. The results were not great,
    but somewhat reasonable. When pushing things, I found that the minimum
    shtter speed adjustment didn't seem to hold. I am also testing varying
    the ISO using manual, with no limit on the ISO. However, when I get to
    the higher ISOs I will see noticable lack of tonal range. I may be using
    too high an ISO limit. Tomorrow I will limit the ISO to 2400, and
    minimum shutter speed to 1000, at f8, or less.
    i
     
    PeterN, Jan 3, 2014
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  11. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    Aah! Yes!
    Something like these sharp white feathers?
    <
    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/20131222_Sanibel birds_0118UMw.jpg
    Once more I see we differ in our opinions, and I note that pushing the
    "sharpening" envelope is a big part of your PP M.O.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 3, 2014
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  12. PeterN

    me Guest

    You have to remember that unless you are using manual exposure mode
    the mode you are using will limit things. Meaning using as described
    the aperture priority exposure program raises the iso up to the limit
    specified. Given the fixed aperture the only thing further which can
    be done if this does not allow enough light to satisfy the exposure
    program is reduce the shutter speed. On the fly you can modify this by
    dialing in _EV exposure compensation which is then an input to the
    exposure program. specified.

    One alternative is to use shutter priority and set shutter speed., but
    you then lose control of the aperture. If you use full manual exposure
    you will keep aperture and shutter settings and float iso. However,
    this only provides a higher light level floor from your prescribed
    shutter and aperture settings. If you still need more light there is
    nothing the camera can adjust.
     
    me, Jan 3, 2014
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  13. PeterN

    Eric Stevens Guest

    I suppose that comes with your legal training.
     
    Eric Stevens, Jan 3, 2014
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  14. PeterN

    MC Guest

    And mine :eek:)

    MC
     
    MC, Jan 3, 2014
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  15. PeterN

    MC Guest

    And mine :eek:)

    MC
     
    MC, Jan 3, 2014
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  16. PeterN

    MC Guest


    I do not believe this. I think he is trying to make good from
    something that did NOT turn out how he envisaged.


    Again, I do not believe these images are what he originally set out to
    achieve. As I see it, and I am yet to be convinced otherwise, what he
    wants and what he ends up with seem to be two completely different
    things, even though he makes the excuse that it is what he wants.
    He is relying too much on post production and cropping. Anyone can
    fire up photoshop (or equivalent) and use a couple of plug-ins to try
    and create something they say they "intended" to create. It shows no
    skill at all and reeks of "clutching at straws" to try and produce
    something acceptable (albeit acceptable only to himself).

    MC
     
    MC, Jan 3, 2014
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  17. PeterN

    MC Guest

    You are kidding, right?

    What/where were these "several" competitions, how many entrants were
    there in each and where can we see other entries for comparison. I
    have to ask this because no judge worth their salt would have commended
    or even placed the first image.

    The second image is far from pin sharp and seems to have had a tad to
    much noise reduction. I would be surprised if this was given runner up
    status unless there was very little competition.

    MC
     
    MC, Jan 3, 2014
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  18. Van Gogh had the same problem... So did Ansel Adams. And a
    lot of great artists who liked something "different".
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Jan 3, 2014
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  19. PeterN

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Don't be too quick to judge.

    I don't know what competitions Peter enters, but my camera club has
    competitions in three categories: Color A, Color B, Monochrome, and
    Creative. A person can enter two images, and an average Competition
    night will have from 60 to over 100 entries.

    Professional photographers, and we have many in the club, must enter
    Color A. Color B, Monochrome, and Creative are open to all others.
    Any photo with significant alteration in post, or photos that are
    composites of more than one original photo, must be in Creative.

    The tack-sharp bird photos are in Color A, and if the bird has a
    caterpillar in its beak, you better be able to count the legs. Many
    of the non-pros in Color B submit images equally well done.

    Anything goes in Creative. I'd rate Peter's shot as right up there
    with most of the entries in this group, and could well have been the
    winner on some nights. In Creative, it's not necessarily what you
    might like in a photo, but how well the photographer has done what the
    photographer was going for. "Impact" is the major grading point.

    I have a certain appreciation for Creative shots because I'm unable to
    do it. It seems like it would be simple to do something creative, but
    it isn't. You can take any photograph and go wild with the sliders
    and the filters and come up with something, but you have to come up
    with something that other people relate to.

    I entered Creative once. With this:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/hq1tpnwimd0kjwt/2012-10-26-4.jpg
    It was in Creative because I used a radial blur and significantly
    altered the image because the figure on the right's eyes were closed
    and I brought in the eyes from a completely different photograph of
    the same person and changed the position of the irises. It didn't
    place well. Top-middle.

    I challenge you to come up with a Creative shot yourself. Try to do
    something bizarre that you like. See if the others here like it.
     
    Tony Cooper, Jan 4, 2014
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  20. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    On 1/3/2014 3:39 PM, Savageduck wrote:

    Although I never worked for any delivery service, except for Western
    Union as a kid, pushing envelopes has been a recurrent theme in my life.
    (And not only photographic envelopes.
     
    PeterN, Jan 4, 2014
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