Now I KNOW Sony has gone mad

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    They plan on making even CHEAPER lenses for the NEX cameras! The
    lenses they have now are almost garbage, terrible performers and they
    want to cheapen them??! I'll be the first to say, if you must cut
    costs, change the metal lens bodies for plastic and leave what little
    optical quality you have alone.
     
    RichA, Apr 10, 2011
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  2. RichA

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Sony has never been a lens specialist. They may not appreciate the importance
    of the glass.
     
    Mxsmanic, Apr 10, 2011
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  3. In which case I guess their next move will be to drop the deal with Zeiss
    to make expensive lenses for their cameras.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Apr 10, 2011
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  4. RichA

    Eric Stevens Guest

    All these years of making video and still cameras and they still don't
    know?

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 10, 2011
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  5. RichA

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Haven't they already done so? My little Sony camera doesn't say Zeiss on the
    lens, but older Sony models did, as I recall.
     
    Mxsmanic, Apr 11, 2011
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  6. RichA

    Mxsmanic Guest

    They've never made lenses. Designing and manufacturing lenses is a very
    specialized field. Companies like Zeiss and Leica know how to do it. Companies
    like Sony don't. On its pro gear, Sony has always used someone else's glass.
    Fujinon is very well known for studio camera lenses (which cost about half a
    million dollars each), with Sony only building the camera head. Ditto for
    smaller pro cameras. Sony doesn't make professional still cameras.
     
    Mxsmanic, Apr 11, 2011
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  7. RichA

    Eric Stevens Guest

    So why has/does Sony used/use expensive lenses if they don't "
    appreciate the importance of the glass"?

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 11, 2011
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  8. RichA

    Mxsmanic Guest

    When have they used expensive lenses?

    An expensive lens costs about ten times as much as the camera body. No camera
    with a built-in lens that costs $500 or even $1000 has anything close to an
    expensive lens.
     
    Mxsmanic, Apr 12, 2011
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  9. RichA

    Eric Stevens Guest

    For the sake of this argument, you have defined 'expensive' lenses.

    When you are referring to non-expensive lenses, what price range do
    you have in mind?

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 12, 2011
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  10. RichA

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Well, everything is relative, but clearly a $300 Tamron is less of an
    expensive lens than a $3000 Nikkor or a $10,000 Leica lens.

    Before I bought my first really good lens, I wondered if the very expensive
    glass was worth the money. One look through the viewfinder told me that it
    was. Unfortunately, once you've shot with pricey glass, you can't settle for
    anything less, and if your budget shrinks, you are endlessly frustrated.
     
    Mxsmanic, Apr 12, 2011
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  11. No. Zeiss don't make all their lenses, just certain rather specially
    good ones. And are continuing to bring out new ones.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Apr 18, 2011
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  12. I just had a look at the UK prices of Sony's Zeiss lenses for their
    alpha mount DSLRs. There's six listed. Five are over 1,000 UK pounds
    in price, the most expensive being 1,700 UK pounds. Is that expensive
    enough for you?

    Note by the way that an optically top notch lens needn't be
    expensive. The classic "nifty fifty" 50mm f1.4 DSLR lenses are an old
    well honed simple design and by your standards are cheap lenses, yet
    their image quality is hard to beat.

    On the other hand there are some extraordinarily expensive lenses
    whose image quality is pretty iffy -- because they're very hard indeed
    to design and manufacture, made in very small numbers, and high image
    quality is simply out of the question.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Apr 18, 2011
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  13. RichA

    J. Clarke Guest

    If you investigate you will find that Zeiss does not actually make the
    lenses for Sony video cameras any more than Zeiss makes the lenses for
    65 buck Logitech webcams.

    What they do is design the lens, provide a set of standards, provide
    advisors who assist in setting up the production line, and provide
    continuing quality control. The actual production is done by Sony (or
    Logitech) employees to Zeiss standards. Or to Sony standards, whichever
    is higher.
     
    J. Clarke, Apr 18, 2011
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  14. RichA

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Those aren't built-in lenses, are they?
    They've been around for practically a century, and they are not difficult to
    build.
     
    Mxsmanic, Apr 19, 2011
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  15. RichA

    PeterN Guest


    You didn't really expect a factually supported statement.
     
    PeterN, Apr 20, 2011
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  16. No, but it does seem odd that a company which allegedly doesn't
    realise the importance of high quality lenses would be commissioning
    and selling such lenses. And where it matters, they have put Zeiss
    lenses into non-exchangealbe lens cameras, such as the R1, whose lens
    was so good several reviewers suggested that to buy its quality in a
    DSLR lens you'd have to pay a lot more than the price of the camera
    (because the same optical quality is easier to get if you can get the
    rear lens elements closer to the sensor than a DSLR mirror permits).
    Exactly. Which is why you don't always have to pay at least several
    hundred dollars to get optically top quality.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Apr 23, 2011
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