NTSC Mini DV Camcorder - How to record on to PAL LG DVD Recorder

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Andy Flowers, Jan 22, 2006.

  1. Andy Flowers

    Andy Flowers Guest

    Hi everybody
    Many apologies if this question has bee asked many times.
    I've bought a Mini DV Camcorder on Ebay - nice Sony one
    Also bought an LG DVD recorder (multi-region) to record DVDs from it.
    Unfortunately on trying to record I get the error message "can't record
    NTSC on to PAL formatted disc (or something like).
    I'd presumed maybe I could format the disc in the recorder as NTSC but
    it automatically formats it PAL when you load it - the book states that
    you can format from the "setup" menu but you can't.
    Any ideas how I can record onto DVD?
    Should I send the camcorder back (would be much easier with a PAL
    camcorder presumably - and maybe the camcorder should have been
    described as NTSC when it was being sold.
    Many thanks for any info received
    Cheers
     
    Andy Flowers, Jan 22, 2006
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    Dave R Guest

    You can't just help the guy, can you. You have to come across like some
    know-it-all pompous ass.
     
    Dave R, Jan 23, 2006
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  3. Andy Flowers

    G Hardy Guest

    I think there's a certain element of trust involved here - I'm in the UK, so
    if I sell to someone in the UK, I don't bother repeating obvious stuff such
    as "It is PAL", "It has a UK plug", "Runs off 50Hz 240V", "Contains English
    instructions" etc. It's not fair to expect a buyer to ask questions when
    it's more than reasonable to assume the answer.

    If the device was not overtly declared as being NTSC, then it's not the
    buyer's fault unless he was buying from the US.
     
    G Hardy, Jan 23, 2006
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  4. Andy Flowers

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Dunno about that. A NEC (single-layer) DVD burner is about £30, and a
    firewire card about £12. Often DVD burners will come with an OEM version
    of Nero.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jan 23, 2006
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  5. Andy Flowers

    Tony Morgan Guest

    READ you FOOL !!
    I provided more constructive help than you have here.

    Or is your post above nothing more than an ego-jerk-off ?

    And had you any intelligence whatsoever, you'd realise that the next
    time the OP bought something from Ebay, rather than get caught up in
    bidding for an item that doesn't suit his needs, he WILL do a little
    investigation first.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jan 23, 2006
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  6. Andy Flowers

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Dunno if I'd agree "G". I'd think that an item is being sold in the US
    is *almost* certainly an NTSC camcorder - especially when it a Sony with
    no "E" on the end [1]. I'm making the assumption that he did buy from a
    US source. Even if it wasn't, without the "E" I would think that it's
    reasonable to ask. Most sellers would prefer you to ask rather than get
    into a "returns" situation.
    We don't know if he did buy from a US source, but I must admit I did
    make that assumption.

    [1] Only five months ago I bought a virtually unused pristine
    TRV-DCR80E for only £300 from a US source. But I did
    confirm that it was an "E" (aka PAL) by asking the question
    before bidding. I suspect that the reason I got it so cheaply
    was because it was being sold in the US as a PAL camcorder.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jan 23, 2006
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  7. Andy Flowers

    G Hardy Guest


    The OP didn't say anything about it being sold in the US - just that he got
    it from ebay, and that the listing did not declare it to be an NTSC cam (and
    he's posted to a UK group). Again, it comes to fair assumptions - when I
    read his post (and I've just read it again, and my opinion hasn't changed) I
    saw someone in the UK who'd bought a camera from a UK seller and been stung
    because he'd incorrectly assumed it was a UK model.

    It's not fair to think that the OP should know that the "E" on the end (or
    its absence) makes a difference. With my Canons, the XM1 is the PAL
    equivalent of the GL1, which is NTSC. There is no distinction in the model
    name between PAL and NTSC versions of the XL1.

    We'll need to wait and see if the OP posts a response, giving more info on
    how he came by the camera.

    Funny - I assumed a UK source ... :eek:)
     
    G Hardy, Jan 23, 2006
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  8. Andy Flowers

    G Hardy Guest

    Most modern DVD and TV combinations will play NTSC discs anyway. I'd
    tentatively suggest that they would do a better job than most video editing
    applications, too.

    I say "tentatively" because I've only tried a handful of applications, and
    the only one I've tried that converts without flickering is Canopus
    Procoder.
     
    G Hardy, Jan 23, 2006
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  9. Andy Flowers

    Dave R Guest

    If you think you were constructive then I pity the people you used to work
    with.

    I've snipped the rest of your typical nonsense. You're so predictable
    it's pathetic.
     
    Dave R, Jan 23, 2006
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  10. Andy Flowers

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Any you contribute little other than winging, toy-throwing and
    foot-stamping infantile outbursts. And I pity the people YOU work with.
    And you are predictably a fool and a perpetual winger. Get out more and
    grow up.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jan 23, 2006
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  11. Andy Flowers

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <vQ6Bf.16828$>, Dontwalk
    Then why haven't you kill-filed me?
    If you did, you'd have noticed that the vast majority of my posts are
    offering constructive help/advice. Unlike others (which now includes
    you) who can't post anything constructive.

    And you're yet another person who can contribute nothing, other than
    criticising someone who does offer constructive advice/opinion. If you
    see that statement as being arrogant, then I'll have to accept your
    (ill-) considered view.

    But I won't stop giving constructive advice or comment on your say-so.
    Again, if that troubles you, then kill-file me.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jan 23, 2006
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  12. Andy Flowers

    Dave R Guest

    Actually I used to play midfield, but you're veering off topic.
    I'm not the one spending all day at home reading newsgroups and getting
    off on being demeaning to people simply asking questions.
     
    Dave R, Jan 23, 2006
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  13. Andy Flowers

    Dave R Guest

    Sometimes he does actually know things that he hasn't just googled for,
    it's his delivery that lets him down.
    Hang on a while and he'll accuse us of being the same person.
     
    Dave R, Jan 23, 2006
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  14. Andy Flowers

    Andy Flowers Guest

    Have to agree with the earlier poster - I don't want the hassle of
    downloading the data on to PC etc. - haven't got the time to mess about
    with all that.

    Also, and more importantly, the fact is the camcorder description didn't
    exactly highlight the fact that it was NTSC (and regardless I didn't
    even know what that meant!). I feel that the seller really should have
    highlighted the fact that there may be problems in recording on to DVD
    (in this country at least) as a result.

    Looking at the Ebay description I'd just assumed it would be Region 2
    and I'd be OK

    I agree with one of the other posters though, don't think the seller
    will give a refund, despite the misleading (or not?) advert.

    Think I'll end up selling it back on Ebay and buying a PAL one.

    All a bit annoying.

    Many thanks for everyone here for their help and advice.

    Ps Anyone want to buy a Camcorder? :)
     
    Andy Flowers, Jan 23, 2006
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  15. Andy Flowers

    Andy Flowers Guest

    Don't want to get embroiled in all the controversy too much, but as the
    misguided fool who actually bought the camcorder thought I better had my
    two penn'orth.

    As one of the guys above sort of hinted, usenet is very useful and many
    posters are very helpful. Not all are.

    I didn't know much about camcorders before buying one (I certainly know
    a little bit more now). I wouldn't have thought to research the various
    prefixes of the Sony models, I'd made the incorrect assumption that any
    seller would make it clear that the item was for use in the UK.

    I did some investigation, but was unfortunate, simple as that.

    Not everyone can be experts at everything.

    If anyone here (the helpful ones), would like any advice on GPS I might
    be able to help them there. Or perhaps modern locomotive and multiple
    unit performance, or even Real Ale in the Midlands. But not camcorders -
    that's why I asked the questions.

    Once again, thanks for the genuine helpful posters here - much
    appreciated, all your advice has been useful to me.
     
    Andy Flowers, Jan 23, 2006
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  16. Andy Flowers

    Andy Flowers Guest

    The camcorder came from the UK

    It mentioned NTSC at one point in the description (though as I didn't
    know what this meant and presumed it would be OK)

    I hadn't heard the term NTSC before.

    I knew the terms PAL, Region 1 and Region 2.

    As I wasn't familiar with NTSC I just skimmed past that bit (along with
    some other less important acronyms that I didn't understand fully).

    You may find that not everyone who buys consumer electronics is an
    expert.
     
    Andy Flowers, Jan 23, 2006
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  17. Andy Flowers

    Andy Flowers Guest

    You were right :)

    See my post above.

    The description did actually mention that it was NTSC (but I didn't know
    what it meant).

    In my defence it was only mentioned once in what would have been about 3
    pages of A4 of technical info (and it wasn't made clear to the
    uninitiated that it may not be compatible with UK equipment).

    I have to hold my hands up and admit I'm responsible but I think quite a
    few people may have fallen for it too.

    Ps Thanks for your help.

    Pps NTSC camcorder going cheap! :)
     
    Andy Flowers, Jan 23, 2006
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  18. Andy Flowers

    Andy Flowers Guest

    It would be nice to be able to get my LG DVD recorder to accept the NTSC
    input (but it didn't want to know - though it is supposed to be
    multi-region).

    Cheers
     
    Andy Flowers, Jan 23, 2006
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  19. Andy Flowers

    Trev Guest

    NTSC + Never The Same Colour

    Used in USA and Japan as the sell more to the USA

    Pal Is the system used in Europe except the French ( but who cares) This
    does have variations in broadcasting.

    Regional DVD are to do with commercial films and to allow Warner bros and co
    to charge More in the UK
     
    Trev, Jan 23, 2006
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  20. Andy Flowers

    Mark A Guest

    Is it possible to trust the word of an obstinate, yet ignorant, person?
    Who, as far as I can tell, still swears it's only possible to fit one
    hour of video onto a 4.7Gb DVD, despite several utterly indisputable
    examples of Hollywood films that do just that? The latest examples I've
    come across being 'Madagascar' (86 mins duration, 3.22Gb in size) and
    the 'Tremors Attack Pack' (four feature length movies supplied in a
    set of two 'flipper' discs, each side only 4.7GB in size, and each movie
    having extras as well.)

    Old Tony just slunk away from this, never able to openly admit in
    public he was utterly wrong in his contentions about 1 hour being the
    maximum. So evidently a coward as well as an oaf. I find it difficult
    to trust his word on anything after such wilfully ignorant behaviour.

    Regards

    Mark
     
    Mark A, Jan 23, 2006
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