Official Nikon D3 sample photos

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Paul Furman, Sep 12, 2007.

  1. a moot point when nikons are involved. who'd want to print anyting that comes
    from a nikon body? a nikon body needs only a few things: a shutter release
    button, a good lcd and an 'trash' button.
     
    Korben Dallas, Sep 17, 2007
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  2. Paul Furman

    Pboud Guest

    You know, one day the Nikon/Canon comments won't automatically elicit
    the knee-jerk trolls and the world will come to an end...

    P.
     
    Pboud, Sep 17, 2007
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  3. no, apparently you never really read them. some canons died on that trip simply
    because there were virtually no other bodies on that trip besides canons. the
    people on the trip understood perfectly well that if any camera has a chance to
    survive the conditions, it would be canon. some of them even preferred took "non
    sealed" 5ds over any other brand (the reasons given in my previous message).
    considering the conditions, the percentage of the bodies that failed was so
    minuscule, it was essentially unheard of in photographic history. the trip was
    the greatest triumph of canon, which everyone of course understands perfectly
    well, despite the futile efforts of the army of nikon shills, who were ordered
    to come out in force in "damage control" mode :)
     
    Korben Dallas, Sep 17, 2007
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  4. I'm not familiar with that particular story. But I'll
    tell you right now that *I* wouldn't take a camera to
    Antarctica that was not weather sealed.

    Or to the Arctic, for that matter. ;-)
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Sep 17, 2007
    #44
  5. lol. at this time in photographic history i don't have to "wish" anything. we
    live in canon world. nikon still has a slim chance of comeback, and that's
    something that indeed belongs to "you wish" category. as for the posts at the
    link, these are typical pieces of nikon shill drivel. we've seen it many times
    before. more precisely, every time a new nikon body is released :) in the end,
    none proves to be true. once again, d3 is guaranteed a place on the market as
    "slightly better 5d" and that is exactly how it is currently seen by
    photographers. the non-essential features are good, but iq is going to be
    squarely of 5d level or worse.
     
    Korben Dallas, Sep 17, 2007
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  6. Paul Furman

    frederick Guest

    Nor to space.
    NASA don't use Canon.
    Canon shills still pretend that NASA's reason is fluorite in
    some of the Canon lenses.
     
    frederick, Sep 17, 2007
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  7. Paul Furman

    frederick Guest

    Yeah - and they practically all died.
     
    frederick, Sep 17, 2007
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  8. Paul Furman

    frederick Guest

    No you shouldn't take a Canon - weather sealed or not.

    Before the Canon shills try to rewrite history, these are
    the facts reported on LL:

    "There were quite a few camera failures, most of them
    occasioned by our shooting in rain on the first day ashore
    in The Falklands. The rain was not heavy – more a persistent
    drizzle than a heavy rain, but it took its toll. In all, 90
    minutes of wet shooting produced six 1Ds MKII cameras which
    stopped working for one reason or another. Three of them
    recovered after a night of drying out. Three remained hors
    de combat for the rest of the trip.

    Three Canon 5D's died that day, with one subsequent
    recovery. Two Rebel XTi's lost their rear LCD's, though
    otherwise continued to work (which is a real hassle, because
    though one can keep shooting, there's no way to change any
    settings, or at least to know what the changes are)."
    ....
    Lieca M8s also failed. None of the Nikons, Pentaxes,
    Hasselblads, or Mamiyas failed.
     
    frederick, Sep 17, 2007
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  9. Paul Furman

    frederick Guest

    Ooops - typo alert.

    The "leakers" were all Canons.
    The Leicas failed for other reasons.
     
    frederick, Sep 17, 2007
    #49
  10. let's report _all_ the facts then. 85% of cameras on the trip were canons. there
    were only 5 nikons. i.e. there were less nikons _total_ than failed canons :)))
    once again, no matter how nikon shills try to control the damage, the
    immesuarable embarrasment to nikon cannot really be corrected: nikons "didn't
    fail" simply because nobody used nikons.

    although "not being used" didn't seem to help leica: two of the three failed m8s
    failed without even being used. they were essentially manufactured dead.
     
    Korben Dallas, Sep 17, 2007
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  11. oh yeah... hasa uses huggies.
     
    Korben Dallas, Sep 17, 2007
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  12. LOL! Don't be so hard on him. I must say after giving my Mk III decent
    workout I think Canon is making a comeback. The Mk III is a really sweet
    camera and I love it. I couldn't stand the 5D since it was the biggest
    piece of shit man ever created. The only thing the 5D has going for it is a
    decent FF sensor. The other issue people overlook is the only way to get
    the most out of a Canon body you have to put Nikkors on it.






    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Sep 17, 2007
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  13. Paul Furman

    frederick Guest

    Yeah but AF is important to some people. Just 'cause you
    use Nikkors on your 1DIII doesn't mean that others shouldn't
    have a need for AF.
    If they could sort it out so that the AF system actually
    worked, then make some 1:1.3 crop ratio wide lenses, it'd
    possibly be a useful camera - so long as you live somewhere
    where it doesn't rain.
     
    frederick, Sep 17, 2007
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  14. Paul Furman

    Toby Guest

    I think you are in deep denial.

    If this partisan BS actually means anything to you, you will be laughing out
    of the other side of your mouth soon. As a professional news cameraman, I
    can tell you that here in Japan there is an almost exact 50%/50% split
    between Canon and Nikon in the field, and actually it is just amateurs like
    yourself who actually care what name is on the machine. I am just glad that
    I will be able to use my 30 yr. collection of Nikon glass on a FF camera
    again. And one with a usable ISO of 12,500. Dreams are made of this stuff...

    As far as living in a "Canon world":

    "Nikon has led Canon in its share of the DSLR market in Japan for the past
    six months, according to latest sales figures.

    'Nikon nudged Canon from its pedestal in December with the introduction of
    the D80 in October,' reports Japanese trade publication PEN News Weekly.

    'Since then it also launched the D40 and D40x and has been maintaining the
    lead for six months, with a 48% market share in May, while Canon ended up
    second with a 35% market share,' adds the report which was based on figures
    released by market research firm BCN.

    The statistics reveal a turnaround on a year ago when Canon held a 53%
    market share in Japan, leaving Nikon behind with 33% in June 2006.

    .....

    The figures were compiled from sales data received from 2,200 stores
    across Japan, including 'large electronic home appliance merchandisers',
    says PEN. "


    I wonder where you get your information that the D3 is currently seen as a
    "slightly better 5D" by photographers. Would you care to quote your sources?
    I've quoted at least one which sees the preproduction D3 as significantly
    better than anything presently on the market in terms of IQ.

    Toby
     
    Toby, Sep 18, 2007
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  15. Google's great, and by the time this was posted I had
    indeed read the accounts of what happened. I can't say
    that it surprised me. (I haven't been to the Antarctic,
    but I do test cameras in the Arctic. ;-)
    11 out of 45 Canon's that failed. 24% failure rate is
    astounding, and it is irrelevant how many other cameras
    did or did not exist. 45 is a large enough sample to
    say that the failure rate has significance.
    At that rate, at least 1 Nikon should have failed, and
    possibly 2. Note that 15% of the cameras on that trip
    were not Canon, and had no failures. 85% of the cameras
    were Canon, and they had a 24% failure rate. The other
    cameras, all put together, would have had a least some
    failures if they were the same as the Canons.

    I agree that the figures do not say much about Nikon as
    such. Statistically the sample just isn't large
    enough. It does suggest that Canon camera's have serious
    problems in terms of being able to handle harsh
    conditions in locations like Antarctica.

    That 24% failure rate is astounding.
    That isn't necessarily true. The ability to handle high
    relative humidity applies to cameras sitting on shelves.
    Likewise the vibration of a ship can move internal
    parts. etc etc.

    Korben, your wild claims about "Nikon shills" and the
    number of simply false "facts" you sprinkle into each
    rant, makes your articles simply not credible at all.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Sep 18, 2007
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  16. Paul Furman

    Toby Guest

    That doesn't change the fact that a higher percentage of Canons failed than
    Nikons, Pentaxes, Hassys or Mamiyas.

    Toby
     
    Toby, Sep 18, 2007
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  17. 1. Please teach your excuse for a newsreader NOT to wrap
    quoted material. That sort of stuff causes eye cancer.

    2. Learn about statistics. Learn that statistics is about
    large numbers of samples. How many people did die on the
    trip? Does that prove that noone ever dies? How many
    people were murdered on the trip? Does that mean that
    there is no murder?

    There were at least 45, more probably 80+ Canons[1]. 6 failed
    Canons mean thus 13-7.5% failure rate, while Nikons failure
    rate can be estimated as "probably not worse than 1/5 (20%)".

    So all you can assume is that the Nikons don't have a failure
    rate *much* worse than the shown failure rate of the Canons.
    QED.

    (And if you don't understand anything of this, go ask a statistican
    to explain it to you. Or do the next expedition with as many
    Nikon shooters as Canon shooters, then you can sort-of compare
    failure rates.)

    -Wolfgang

    [1] 5 Nikons + 1 Pentax + 1 "Hassy" + 1 Mamiya = 8.
    8 -> 15%
    <=> 0.533.. -> 1%
    <=> 45.33.. -> 85%

    more probably 5 Nikons, 4 Pentaxes, 2 "Hassys", 3 Mamiyas
    == 14 other cameras:
    14 -> 15%
    <=> 0.933.. -> 1%
    <=> 79.33.. -> 85%
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Sep 18, 2007
    #57
  18. Oh, how about waiting till the D3 is actually availabe to the
    masses and see what flaws it has.
    You really suffer the "the whole world is Japan"-syndrome one
    usually sees in the USA as "there is something outside the
    USA?"-syndrome.
    Fancy that, it ain't so in the rest of the world.
    Really! So the D3 has the same buttons and usage as, say, the
    Canon 1D Mk III? The zoom rings and focus rings all turn the
    same way for the same effect?
    Oh, a nice straw for a dinking man.

    Please do not look at the decades of Canon leading in the rest
    of the world, you'd probably drown in the tears of your own
    despair. :)

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Sep 18, 2007
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  19. Paul Furman

    RichA Guest

    The more I read about Canons the more I realize they are shoddy
    packages built around decent sensors. The stupid photographic press
    keeps saying the 40D is direct competition to the Nikon D300. The 40D
    is roughly on the level of the D80 and the D80 is plastic!
     
    RichA, Sep 18, 2007
    #59
  20. Paul Furman

    C J Campbell Guest

    Posts like yours literally cause me to explode.

    Expect the cops at any moment to charge you with my murder.
     
    C J Campbell, Sep 18, 2007
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