Old is new again?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Savageduck, May 16, 2011.

  1. Savageduck

    Rich Guest

    No, really? I've seen them. I saw a Bolex on Sunday at a historical
    society show, which had Paillard lenses. I meant if there ARE any lenses
    with it (notice the "might have" part of the statement?), they could be
    utilized by upcoming cameras.
    Rich, May 18, 2011
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    Rol_Lei Nut Guest

    While 8mm (single 8, that is) is a 16mm film cut in half, 16mm is *not*
    half of 35mm.

    There were some excellent lenses made for the 8mm format, by Kern
    (Paillard) and Angenieux, just to mention two makers which come to mind.

    Used on micro 4/3 cameras, some lenses made for 16mm will cover the
    format (especially teles), while many others will vignette or form
    circular images.
    Lenses designed to cover the 8mm format would definitely not cover the
    4/3 frame, unless used for close-up/macro work.
    Rol_Lei Nut, May 18, 2011
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    Bruce Guest

    Bruce, May 18, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    Certainly Speed Graphic cameras could be tripod mounted, but their most
    common usage was as a hand held press camera. For sports photography it
    was used for tripod-less action shots. It was also carried into combat
    during WWII, without a tripod.

    Now I am sure it could be found mounted on a tripod in some studios,
    but a Speed Graphic was most commonly seen carried by the fedora
    wearing noir, press, or street photographer. Two users not likely to be
    found with a tripod were "Weegee" and Louis Mendes.
    < http://blog.livebooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/weegee.jpg >
    < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/LMendes-01.jpg >
    < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/LMendes-04.jpg >

    ....and very often they were the subject of photographers compelled to
    use a tripod
    < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Mendes-03.jpg >
    Savageduck, May 18, 2011
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    bugbear Guest

    Hell, with that significant a collection, one might
    well invest in a proper climate controlled store.

    bugbear, May 18, 2011
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    pbromaghin Guest

    pbromaghin, May 18, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    PeterN, May 18, 2011
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Ah, right, because movies (generally) lay perpendicular to the film,
    stills run parallel.
    Paul Furman, May 18, 2011
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    Paul Furman Guest

    He does generally use a tripod, that shot was just posed but yeah, that
    camera was kinda designed for hand held use.
    Paul Furman, May 18, 2011
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Thanks, it's fun. I need to find something much more opaque because it
    gets a hot spot where you can see the open lens through the focus
    screen. OTOH, it's more about the process than the results. I don't
    really intend to load film in it and shooting the focus screen with a
    digital camera is a pain, plus it really needs a third tripod and
    another bellows on the back, and here's the kicker: you really need a
    wide angle tilt shift lens to shoot from the side and avoid the hot spot
    while keeping the tilted focus screen in focus.

    What I might do is rig a mount for iphones <g>.
    Paul Furman, May 18, 2011
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    Paul L Guest

    "Digital photography allows for no mistakes by the camera," Shaw says.
    "The picture is flawless, and you are the only one to blame for its
    apparent ugliness. But with film, you never really know what's going to
    happen. It's a surprise every time you develop and print your film.
    Sometimes there can be weird color granulations, random light splotches
    or double exposures."

    Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20062810-93.html#ixzz1N0W7lxgL

    So not knowing how to use equipment is "art" with regards to film ?

    Nope. Never was, either.
    Paul L, May 21, 2011
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Why can't they call film photography, "film photography".

    It was never "analog", isn't "analog" and will never be "analog".
    Alan Browne, May 21, 2011
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    Noons Guest

    Paul L wrote,on my timestamp of 22/05/2011 3:03 AM:
    Therein lies the problem with all these "film evaluations": they are done by
    ignorants who never knew how to use film properly in the first place...
    Noons, May 22, 2011
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    pbromaghin Guest

    What else would you expect form a Holga user?

    I just can't wrap my arms around the idea of using a shitty camera on
    pbromaghin, May 24, 2011
  15. about: Old is new again?;
    Amazing. Hooodathunkit?

    Though the trend has been building for several years, it's
    now hitting its stride. While total sales of film cameras
    lag behind their digital counterparts, something odd is
    happening that would have recently been seen as
    inconceivable: digital camera sales are decreasing, and
    sales of analog cameras are increasing.

    The Photo Marketing Association's most recent report (PDF)
    on U.S. camera sales from September 2010 says digital camera
    sales dropped 2 percent between the summer of 2009 and 2010,
    perhaps because the market was becoming saturated. Analog
    camera sales increased from 30 percent to 40 percent during
    that time, the PMA calculates, with much of the increase
    coming from instant camera purchases.

    A popular iPhone app called Instagram mimics old-school film
    "flaws" but with the ease of digital. Another iPhone app
    does the same for videos, making them look like vintage home
    movies. There's even an International Juried Plastic Camera
    Show--analog, of course--now in its fourth year.

    Ed Lee, group director for InfoTrends, a market research
    firm for the digital imaging industry, suggests that one
    reason for increased film usage among teens "is that digital
    cameras have been in the mainstream market for over 10 years
    now and that there are many teenagers today that have grown
    up without shooting a roll of film. As a result, film is a
    novelty to them, and thus part of the appeal."

    San Francisco-area businesses have detected similar trends.
    Judy Hurwitz, who has owned Marin Filmworks in San Rafael,
    Calif. with her husband Leon since 1995, says the
    re-adoption of analog is noticeable.

    Her business, she said, has "seen a slight uptick in the use
    of film recently." The reasons: more black-and-white film
    use by high school and college students and a trend toward
    higher-resolution, higher-quality medium format film.

    "We have also seen an increase in the number of people using
    medium format film, also called 120 film, in the very
    popular Holga or Diana cameras," Hurwitz says. "These
    cameras are inexpensive, plastic bodies with plastic lenses
    that produce a sightly out of focus image. They are very
    popular with young artists and photographers who are looking
    for a more artistic image."

    And, of course, it hasn't taken marketers long to pitch
    analog cameras to proto-hipsters.

    "Disposable, Polaroid, and smaller film cameras are being
    marketed to the youth," says Stevie Sorenson, 17, a junior
    in high school in Marin County. "While disposables and lower
    quality film cameras are being marketed (to us), higher-end
    film cameras still appeal to more advanced photographers."

    "I'm seeing more and more disposable and 'carry around' film
    cameras in use through Facebook and other sites," she says.
    "It's an increasing trend I've noticed, and at the same time
    I'm noticing higher quality film prints disappear due to the
    difficulty of developing, printing, etc. While it gets
    easier and easier for lower quality film to be processed (at
    CVS and Costco), it is getting increasingly harder to find
    space and materials for printing with film."

    Ian Tuttle, a professional photographer based in the Bay
    Area, prefers to use toy film cameras over digital ones.

    "I like film and especially toy cameras because of the
    flaws," Tuttle says. "It isn't perfect--I shoot a lot of
    expired film as well as very slow-speed film which I process
    in ways that make it behave abnormally. This accentuates the
    flaws. The plastic lenses on toy cameras lend their own
    distortions. What I'm after is a more organic capture of the

    "I suppose the cool factor is one of the slants in
    marketing," he says. "An international company is
    currently trying..........

    Read more:

    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
    Doug Bashford, May 24, 2011
  16. [misunderstanding percentages' meaning]
    Example "Fur shipping insurances raised by 3000% (due to the
    [beginning WWII]. $DEALER still sells at old prices."
    Estimate how much the fur price raised.

    [faux antique]

    [film as a rebellion/novelty only]

    ['noticeable increase' from a very low to a still very low number]

    [artistic == bad equipment]

    [Quality prints from film getting ever rarer]

    [some excentrics like toys and expired films instead of good gear
    (see artistic)]

    What do we learn:
    - some are after imperfect looks because that's hip, a novelty or
    - it's getting ever harder to get quality prints, so you
    practically have to digitize film.
    - the film user number is so low that a handful of new users
    already create a slight increase.
    Don't be a news gateway.

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 25, 2011
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    May 30, 2011
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    I just loaded up my K-1000 with B & W Film for tomorrows festivities. I have gotten into developing my own film and it is a very cool experience. I haven't used my K-1000 in about 20 years and pulled it out of the closet in January for a photography class I took. I got some really good results in the class and it is now making it's way back into the rotation. I am even considering using it along with my Canon DSLR for outdoor weddings.
    Camera_Man, May 30, 2011
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    Bruce Guest

    Urbi Et Orbi, are you sitting comfortably?
    Then let's begin:
    Your magnificent contribution dated Mon, 16 May 2011 11:33:36 -0700,
    has moved me to ask for two questions to be considered Savageduck

    Look deep into your heart my friend,

    Are you now a NetNannie?
    Have you ever been a NetNannie?
    Yes, those wonderful days and weeks and months sweating it out in that
    glorious place, *The Fume Room* ! God *I don't* miss those days!!!!
    Bruce, May 30, 2011
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    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
    Doug Bashford, Jun 4, 2011
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    Chemiker Guest

    Photography and the camera signal the demise of real art: oil

    Chemiker, Jun 4, 2011
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