Older SLR and Red Eye Reduction Flash

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Chris Lindgren, Nov 26, 2004.

  1. I'm starting to shoot more with my old Pentax ME-Super and would like
    to get a new/used flash to operate with it. I notice that the flashes
    from that era, the AF series, don't have red eye reduction. Am I
    wrong on this topic? Can anyone recommend a flash to use with this
    body with red eye reduction? I would prefer it to be a Pentax unit.
    My primary use is just indoor candid shots of people...gatherings,
    holidays, etc.

    Thanks in advance.
     
    Chris Lindgren, Nov 26, 2004
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    Walt Hanks Guest

    They don't have red-eye reduction because they don't need it. The "red eye"
    affect occurs when the flash is too close to the lens, as is the case with
    every built-in flash system. Put a flash on a hot shoe, at least 4 inches
    above the lens, or offset the flash on a flash bracket, and you will rarely
    have a problem. Better yet, bounce that flash and you'll do much better
    than any 'red eye reduction" mode can offer.

    Walt Hanks
     
    Walt Hanks, Nov 26, 2004
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    Jeremy Guest

    Completely agree. Also would like to add that the "red eye reduction"
    feature of today's flashes leaves much to be desired. It flashes several
    times before the main flash, intending to have the effect of having the
    subjects' pupils close. It often fails to achieve its objective.

    If you put your flash unit on a bracket, and move it as far from the lens as
    possible, the angle of the light on the eyes will be such that red eye will
    not be a problem.

    One final thought: Kodak and other photofinishers offer red-eye correction
    these days. If you use Kodak's "Perfect Touch" processing, your images are
    analyzed by software that can identify faces and can delete red eyes.

    Vivitar sells a professional "Red-Eye Reduction Pen" that works well. Just
    touch it to the red eye in your prints, and it deletes the red without
    affecting the eye color.

    Also many editing software packages have red eye deletion, if you scan your
    film and edit it. Red eye is not the problem. that it once was.
     
    Jeremy, Nov 30, 2004
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    Paul Bielec Guest

    I never did many inside shots with my SLR but did a lot of them with my
    Digital Rebel this summer using the built in flash. What I noticed is that
    some people are prone to red eyes. What I mean is that while most people
    would have red eyes from time to time, some would always have red eyes. I
    correct them with Photoshop Elements before printing.
    I'll be fixing my problme for good soon buying a Speedlite 420 :)
     
    Paul Bielec, Nov 30, 2004
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    columbotrek Guest

    Just have your subjects not look into the camera lens. Have them focus
    insted on some thing above or to the side of the camera. This
    eliminates red eye plus will keep them from having the floating yellow
    spot after the flash. Been doing that for years. Works great.
     
    columbotrek, Nov 30, 2004
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    Jeremy Guest

    It may not be as strange as it appears.

    If some peoples' retinas tend to "open" more than others' then there is a
    greater potential for red-eye.

    Unfortunately, red-eye is not the only problem associated with flash. Harsh
    shadows and a flat image usually accompany images taken with a single flash.

    While it may sometimes be necessary to use flash, I try to find a way to
    exploit available light whenever possible. There is something about a photo
    lit with a single flash that screams "Amateur."
     
    Jeremy, Nov 30, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    The retina doesn't change size. You're thinking of the iris' pupil. The pupil
    dilates in low light (or when sexually aroused... perhaps the result of
    evolution giving less than lovely girls the benefit of softer focus...?)

    http://thalamus.wustl.edu/course/eyeret.html

    Not if the flash is directed at a ceiling or wall. This softens the light and
    fills the background while usually getting rid of redeye.

    Having said that, what screams "pro" or at least accomplished amateur is
    judicious balance of natural and flash light... the later usually as fill.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 30, 2004
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    Paul Bielec Guest

    Not if the flash is directed at a ceiling or wall. This softens the light
    and
    This is exactly what I'd like to explore once I get my new flash.
    The last not built in flash I had was pre-TTL. I had to read the aperture to
    use from a distance vs. ISO chart printed at its back :)
     
    Paul Bielec, Nov 30, 2004
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