Olympus C5050Z

Discussion in 'Olympus' started by Richard Savage, Sep 20, 2003.

  1. Opinions etc. sought on the Olympus C5050Z? (As seen in Friday's
    Times!)

    My intention is to replace my (ancient and currently dead) Minolta X700.

    TIA Richard
     
    Richard Savage, Sep 20, 2003
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  2. Richard Savage

    Alfred Molon Guest

    It's one of the best cameras in its class and price range. See here for
    more information:

    Olympus 5050 resource - http://www.molon.de/5050.html

    Olympus 5050 users group with 3500 members:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Olympus4040_5050/
     
    Alfred Molon, Sep 20, 2003
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  3. The 5050 is offered with additional 256Mb card (type not specified), charger and batteries, extra
    year's warranty for £479.99 delivered.

    How does that compare with the G3, please?


    My first experience of digital cameras was a Fuji Finepix and I was really really unimpressed by
    it's low light ability. From what I have read the 5050 is very competant in low light.

    Rgds Richard
     
    Richard Savage, Sep 21, 2003
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  4. Richard Savage

    JK Guest

    You could use the aperture priority mode, and pick an aperture that gives
    you a fast enough shutter speed. If f2.8 doesn't do it, then raise the ISO
    setting from 100 to 200 or 400. Another choice would be to use the
    shutter priority mode and pick the shutter speed you want, and have the
    camera choose the aperture.
    Yes, although you also need to use the correct exposure compensation
    for the situation, like +1 or so for backlighting. You could bracket around
    this(ie. try one shot at +2/3, one at +1, one at +1.3). The semiautomatic
    modes(aperture priority, shutter priority) are very handy when used with
    an offset when appropriate.
    More telephoto would be nice.
    That would be expensive. Do you want to pay an extra $20 for this?
    Perhaps Olympus could offer this as an item that could be purchased
    in the language you choose?I prefer manuals on cd and lower prices.
     
    JK, Sep 21, 2003
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  5. Regarding the manual; I have just downloaded all the manuals and brochures for the
    5050 from the Olympus web page. Admittedly it will cost me a few pennies to
    print any of them.

    Richard
     
    Richard Savage, Sep 21, 2003
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    Q. Lu Guest

    Both are very capable cameras. While 5050 includes charger and batteries, G3
    charge in camera and its battery life is far longer than 4 nihm AA. $256mb
    CF costs $40 and C5050 cost about $100 more. Again, both are great and you
    will be happy with either one.
     
    Q. Lu, Sep 22, 2003
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  7. Richard Savage

    Alfred Molon Guest

    Not really. A set of four 2200 mAh NiMH has more energy than the G3
    battery and will last for over 300 shots (with the LCD on).
     
    Alfred Molon, Sep 22, 2003
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  8. Richard Savage

    Tom Pfeiffer Guest

    Better check that math again, Alfred. The Canon battery is 7.4v, not 1.2v.
    So the available power is 7.4 x 1350 (typical rating of a generic BP-511
    battery) = 9990 (or 99.9 watts). Each of your AA Nimh cells is 1.2 x 2300 =
    2300, so four would be 2300 x 4 or 9200 (or 92 watts). So they are actually
    about the same. Then there's the question of how much power each camera
    uses, which would be a much better guide to determining which will last
    longer.

    I have no experience with the Olympus, but I can say that two BP-511's in
    the grip of my 10D powered it for my entire vacation (10 days) a couple of
    weeks ago.

    Tom P.
     
    Tom Pfeiffer, Sep 22, 2003
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  9. Richard Savage

    Alfred Molon Guest

    Perhaps you should check your math, Tom.

    First of all you are off by one power of ten:

    1.2V x 2.3 Ah x 4 = 9.2 Wh, not 92 Wh

    The Canon battery (BP-511) has an energy of 8.1 Wh. See here:

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong3/page11.asp

     
    Alfred Molon, Sep 22, 2003
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  10. Richard Savage

    Tom Pfeiffer Guest

    Sorry, you're right about the power of 10, I was tihnking milli = 100, too
    early for me, I guess.

    But since you didn't use Olympus brand batteries, I didn't use Canon. Like
    you, I chose a generic with more power. The Canon is ~1150 maH, IIRC, many
    of the generics are 1350, like your third-party 2300 maH generics.

    Bottom line, mine's still bigger than yours :) At least until the 2500 maH
    AA cells come out in a few months.

    Tom P.

     
    Tom Pfeiffer, Sep 22, 2003
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  11. Richard Savage

    Alfred Molon Guest

    By the way, looks like math tonight really went bathing:

    4 x 1.2V x 2.3 Ah = 11.04 Wh for the NiMH
    7.4V * 1.35 Ah = 9.99 Wh for the LiIon

    The NimH batteries already have more power than the LiIon battery.

     
    Alfred Molon, Sep 22, 2003
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  12. Richard Savage

    Tom Pfeiffer Guest

    Ack! You mean 2300 x 1.2 isn't 2300? Dang I hate math! You're right once
    again, but perhaps we agree that the difference isn't as great as once
    thought.

    The BP-511 is the winner on power/oz, though. It weighs 2.5 ounces, compared
    to 3.8 for a set of AA's.

    Tom P.

     
    Tom Pfeiffer, Sep 23, 2003
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    M. Souris Guest

    But which has the prettiest color...?



     
    M. Souris, Sep 23, 2003
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    Q. Lu Guest

    Put your nimh idle for 2 weeks and then check how much power it has left,
    and do the same with BP-511, you will see the difference. Then there is
    charging time for flashes, memory effect, how accurate camera can detect the
    power level left in batteries. Nihm may be cheaper, but defenitely not the
    top performer.
     
    Q. Lu, Sep 23, 2003
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  15. Richard Savage

    Q. Lu Guest

    I think that is a good shot already. A wider angle won't neccesarily make
    that shot better. If you want wide angle shots, the wide converter from
    Olympus is a great one, worth the extra $, compared with $50-$60 third party
    products. Or you can shoot two or more pictures and stitch them together
    using various software. Just avoid any moving objects (such as bikers) in
    the overlapping areas. Such as this one here, stitched from 4 shots, taken
    with a C3020.
    http://myfilelocker.comcast.net/canoner/Olympus/index.htm
     
    Q. Lu, Sep 23, 2003
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    Alfred Molon Guest


    The memory effect for NiMH is very moderate; charging time for flashes
    should be low, as NiMHs can deliver high currents (not sure how LiIons
    perform under very heavy load. Concerning the storage, just recharge the
    batteries after a long idle period of time.

    Advantages of AA NiMH:
    - widely available everywhere; in case of emergency you can even run
    your camera with standard non-rechargeable AA batteries
    - low cost
    - no risk the proprietary battery won't be manufactured anymore one day
     
    Alfred Molon, Sep 23, 2003
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    Q. Lu Guest

    I have used both Nimh and LiIons, I have to say LiIons are better performer.
    LiIons do not lose power much when not used while Nimh lose 1.5%-3% daily. A
    nice feature on Sony F-series is you can see how many minutes you have left
    on the battery. I am sure other brands using LiIons can implement this
    without much trouble, but I doubt you can ever do this with Nimh, they just
    don't communicate with cameras much.
    Although you can get LiIons from ebay for $15-$25 apiece and that sounds
    reasonable, Nimh is way cheaper and easier to get, you are absolutely right
    about it.
     
    Q. Lu, Sep 23, 2003
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    Jimmy Guest

    With firmware v77, I ran sharpness to -3 and 0 for the other two settings. Now that the firmware
    has been upgraded to v79, I find the camera sharpening is less aggressive and now set it to 0 as
    well. You will need to experiment with the settings to see which meets with your expectations.
     
    Jimmy, Sep 24, 2003
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    Tom Pfeiffer Guest

    I like dark green brown!

    Tom P.
     
    Tom Pfeiffer, Sep 24, 2003
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  20. Hi Richard,

    I've read the thread and here's my input:

    I have a 5050z, have had since it came out. I managed to get it at a very
    good price (it's who you know, not what you know) but at the standard price
    I would have bought it immediately anyway.

    My background is 'reasonable' amateur - I've been into photography since I
    was about 10 (some 26 years back) and learned the hard way with fully manual
    SLR's.

    My first introduction to digital was with a 2020 borrowed from a non
    photographic friend who basically said 'I bought this, you borrow it for a
    while, then tell me how to use it'. Fair enough. So I borrowed it,
    expecting to be less than impressed with this new digital technology. I
    wasn't, the camera was nice to use, controls in good places, the exposure
    metering was good, the focus ws reasonably quick, and the lens was great.

    The 5050 improves on all of this - the 5mp is noticable against things like
    the E-10 (great camera at 3mp), the lens is really good quality, the
    exposure is good - and with the 5050 you have enough control to make it
    right if you're in an 'odd situation'. The battery life is (as many have
    noted) around 300 shots and downloading them (with the (in my opinion)
    advantage of taking standard AA size batteries). The new super macro is
    totally stunning if you're into that sort of thing (just took some butterfly
    pics - full frame at 5MP - from about an inch - beautiful
    focus/exposure/colour).

    You have also: control over everything - flash brightness, exposure, auto
    bracketing, multiple pictures etc etc

    OK, that's the good bits, the downside:
    It could really do with a zoom more than 3 times. er... that's it really -
    otherwise it's totally excellent.

    (OK, so I want a D10 now :), but that's another story - and price band - but
    if you have a few grands worth of Canon autofocus lenses - you'd want one
    too!)

    Hope this helps - Richard !
     
    usenet.plus.net, Sep 25, 2003
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