Olympus E300/E500 forum

Discussion in 'Olympus' started by Alfred Molon, Dec 9, 2005.

  1. Alfred Molon

    Alfred Molon Guest

    Alfred Molon, Dec 9, 2005
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  2. Alfred Molon

    lens crack Guest



    Still brimming over with tips on getting rid of noise in images?

    Most dslr owners regard Neat Image as an oddity to be used on rare
    occasions - but for the Olympus crowd it's a vital as a camera battery.

    I don't know why you put up with all that 4/3 rubbish, I really don't.
     
    lens crack, Dec 9, 2005
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    RichA Guest

    Because 3:2 makes no sense, you Canondroid.
     
    RichA, Dec 9, 2005
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    G.T. Guest

    Wait. How many manufacturers are 4:3? How many 3:2? And you label him
    a Canondroid because he doesn't like a lame, relatively rare format?

    Greg
     
    G.T., Dec 9, 2005
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  5. Alfred Molon

    Rich Guest

    And how many pictures do we see printed at 3:2? Except for Joe Public,
    who the
    Hell else wants to print much in and around 3:2. As I've stated
    before, most pictures
    are closer physical matches to 4:3 than 3:2 and there is nothing you
    can do to alter
    that fact.
    -Rich
     
    Rich, Dec 10, 2005
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  6. Alfred Molon

    Alfred Molon Guest

    I don't know why Canonites always feel the need to bash Olympus, I
    really don't...
     
    Alfred Molon, Dec 10, 2005
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  7. Envy!

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Dec 10, 2005
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  8. Alfred Molon

    lens crack Guest

    "David J Taylor"

    Yes, it's true! - I want those colourful speckles all over my images too.
     
    lens crack, Dec 10, 2005
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  9. Alfred Molon

    Skip M Guest


    Most of those of us who use Canon cameras don't bash any other SLR other
    than Sigma, and then only with provocation.
     
    Skip M, Dec 10, 2005
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  10. Alfred Molon

    Skip M Guest

    "David J Taylor"
    Not a bash, per se, but why would I, who own a 20D and a 5D, envy the owner
    of an E-1 or E-300?
     
    Skip M, Dec 10, 2005
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  11. And quite a few of those Canon users, present company excepted, do so
    without provocation. There's no need to bash a Sigma DSLR at all. I
    certainly could see how some are envious of them, seeing how sharp the
    photos are :)
     
    Peter A. Stavrakoglou, Dec 10, 2005
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  12. Alfred Molon

    Bill Hilton Guest

    I don't know why you put up with all that 4/3 rubbish, I really don't.
    I use 3:2, 4:3 (Pentax 645) and 7:6 (Mamiya 6x7) aspect ratioed cameras
    and it really doesn't matter that much to me ... to many of us the main
    design flaw of the Oly 4/3 system is that they locked in to a
    relatively small sensor size too early, cutting themselves off from
    future advances in sensor technology. They have a built-in 50-60%
    disadvantage against the consumer grade Nikon and Canon bodies, for
    example. You'd expect some other benefit for the smaller size (like 35
    mm gave over existing systems when it first came out, being much
    lighter and more portable) but there don't seem to be any (the bodies
    are heavier than some of the Pentax and Canon dSLRs for example, as are
    many of the lenses).

    I would also take into account that the Oly imaging division lost
    24,000,000,000 and 12,000,000,000 yen (36 billion total) the past two
    quarters while the rest of the company was profitable. If they don't
    turn that around then 4/3 won't have much of a future with Oly.

    The current bodies and lenses themselves seem fine (and the sensor
    clean is a great idea that I hope Canon copies), but I think they
    screwed up fatally with the original decision to limit themselves to
    such a small sensor size.

    Bill
     
    Bill Hilton, Dec 10, 2005
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  13. Well, exactly. You are one of the more level headed who don't indulge in
    such activity.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Dec 10, 2005
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  14. Alfred Molon

    Neil Ellwood Guest

    You can if you like.......
     
    Neil Ellwood, Dec 10, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    The other day I bashed a Sigma camera using my Maxxum 9. It was not a
    very enjoyable event as the Sigma shattered into a hundred pieces on the
    first blow, some of the shards *were* sharp, I do admit.

    With Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Olympus I have to bash many more times to
    get the same amount of deconstruction.
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 10, 2005
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  16. Alfred Molon

    Skip M Guest

    4x6 is probably the most common "enlargement" size out there. I agree that
    3:2 makes little sense and is only the standard because of some tradition or
    standard lost on most of us, but 4:3 makes no more sense. Not many
    enlargements are made at 8x6, 12x9, etc. It may be closer to 8x10, but it's
    still off. 4:5 at least lines up with 8x10 and 16x20...
     
    Skip M, Dec 10, 2005
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  17. Alfred Molon

    Skip M Guest

    See what I mean about provocation? ;-)
     
    Skip M, Dec 10, 2005
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    The majority.
    And everybody should change to make you happy?
     
    Ray Fischer, Dec 10, 2005
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  19. Alfred Molon

    Rich Guest

    Well, Canon does have the edge when it comes to low noise, but would
    you settle for good lenses?
    -Rich
     
    Rich, Dec 10, 2005
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  20. Alfred Molon

    Alfred Molon Guest

    Oly DSLRs offer a number of benefits:
    - better suited for wide angle photography
    - the smaller sensor gives you more DOF, generally speaking than a
    larger sensor
    - lenses are smaller and lighter
    - lenses tend to be brighter: the 14-54 is F2.8-3.5, and you don't have
    to shut down so much to get DOF, so that you don't have to go up too
    much with the ISO, than with a camera which needs to be set to F8
    - I might add that Oly DSLRs automatically clean the sensor upon startup
    and offer bad pixel mapping. These are two features which other brands
    don't offer, even if they could.

    4/3 bodies are not smaller than other DSLRs among other reasons because
    the lens mount is bigger than a standard "35mm" lens mount. Guess why
    the 4/3 lens mount is bigger, even if the sensor is smaller...

    In any case a camera with a 4/3 sensor is not meant to compete with a
    medium format DSLR or a DLSR with a much larger sensor. Olympus DSLRs
    are suitable for a certain range of uses. When for instance very high
    resolution and low noise are essential, you probably would go for the
    new 39MP MF DSLR, or for a scanning camera.
     
    Alfred Molon, Dec 10, 2005
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