Olympus E510 has poor dynamic range? Not any more.

Discussion in 'Olympus' started by Maat, Aug 28, 2008.

  1. Maat

    Maat Guest

    "David J Taylor" <-this-bit.nor-this-
    part.co.uk> wrote in
    I can display it on either an LCD, CRT or print. Just because my LCVD won't
    show the full dynamic range doesn't mean there is no improvement seen in
    the displayed image. I've looked at numerous HDR images in the last couple
    of days and the quality is like night and day compared to a non HDR image
    and that is even very noticable on an LCD.
     
    Maat, Aug 28, 2008
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  2. Maat

    Maat Guest

    What about midrange? With this software you can use 5 differnet exposures
    even to create on HDR image. Let's see your fancy Fuji S5 do that. Man, you
    are a bunch of negative fuckers in this group.
     
    Maat, Aug 28, 2008
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  3. Maat

    Maat Guest

    My opinion is that it is way too contrasty and not even worthy of being
    published on the internet. Not to mention it is a cliched boring image.
     
    Maat, Aug 28, 2008
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  4. Maat

    Maat Guest

    You are mssing ythe point completely. The fact is I can get a full dynamic
    range image on my cheap E510 just as well as you can on your $4,000.00
    Nikon by utilizing HDR software.
     
    Maat, Aug 28, 2008
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  5. Maat

    Maat Guest

    (Ray Fischer) wrote in
    Dynamic range is not infinite so no you can't.
     
    Maat, Aug 28, 2008
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  6. Maat

    Maat Guest

    Yea, think I will trade in my E510 for the $89.99 8mp 5X zoom P&S that is
    on sale at Futureshop right now.
     
    Maat, Aug 28, 2008
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  7. Maat

    ASAAR Guest

    Nor will any of the owners of the expensive Nikons and Canons that
    you mentioned want to trade down to an E510 just because HDR
    software is available. The E510 even without that software is a
    very nice camera, but it's limited in other ways that aren't
    addressed by the HDR software, and it suffers the same fate as all
    brands do. Some of its biggest fans are juvenile fanboys and trolls.
     
    ASAAR, Aug 28, 2008
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  8. Olympus fan boys are so weird...
     
    Morice Blanchar, Aug 28, 2008
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  9. Maat

    ASAAR Guest

    There isn't much bragging time left. While prices are dropping
    nicely (B&H shows the S5 is now going for only $1,139), most of the
    folk in DPReview's Fuji SLR Talk forum are resigned to the fact that
    it's all over for them. They highly doubt that Fuji will ever
    produce an S6, and many of them have purchased D300s, which while
    they usually say that they still prefer the S5's DR and color,
    really love the much more accurate focusing, low noise, high ISO,
    higher resolution, much better display, and much greater overall
    speed and build of the D300. Some are also starting to jump on the
    D700 bandwagon. The main problem with getting an S5 is that they're
    becoming hard to find. Some more might trickle in, but B&H shows
    them as being out of stock, and Adorama (whose discount price is
    $1,550) also has no S5 remaining in stock. They both have the IR
    version of the S5 in their catalogs, but only B&H has the IS Pro in
    stock, and depending on the kit version purchased, goes for from
    $2,500 to $3,650.
     
    ASAAR, Aug 29, 2008
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  10. Maat

    D-Mac Guest

    They're right about one thing... Fuji are never going to produce an S6!
    Their numbering conventions guarantee that. An S7 however is very likely
    to surface sooner rather than later.

    Considering that Fuji make their own sensors, it is highly - in fact
    extremely unlikely they are going to dump their flagship digital camera
    any time soon. More likely they'll move further towards limited edition
    for advanced and professional photographers which is what Fuji have
    always aimed at. I'm not sure about the current crop but Fuji are/were
    Nikon's sensor supplier.

    Keep in mind too. Fuji don't normally engage in the shenanigans Nikon
    and Canon do in announcing vaporised cameras. When Fuji make an
    announcement, they have the product ready for market and being
    distributed. It is not in Fuji's interest to have 10,000 S5s still
    unsold when they release the S7... Which they will do. You can bet
    London to a brick on that!
     
    D-Mac, Aug 29, 2008
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  11. Maat

    Guest Guest

    not according to rumours.
    actually, it's very likely they'll dump dslrs once they clear current
    stock.
    which nikon camera has a fuji sensor?
     
    Guest, Aug 29, 2008
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  12. Maat

    ASAAR Guest

    What convention is that? They produced the S5500, S5600 and
    S5700, so it can't be that Fuji has a superstition about using the
    numeral '6', can it?

    Some of the informed speculation has Fuji selling their DSLR assets
    and continuing production of their P&S lines. It's a line worth
    preserving, but I'm not as optimistic as you. This, based in part
    on Fuji's lackluster commitment to supporting their S5x00 line.

    That must have been their biodegradable line of DSLRs. I heard
    that Nikon's and Canon's engineers really had a gas designing them.

    It would be even worse to delay the S7 so long that Fuji's base
    abandons their S3 and S5 DSLRs for those from Nikon and other
    manufacturers. That process is well under way and Fuji has yet to
    leak any hints that might stop or slow the migration. Industry
    leaks and rumors from partners/suppliers that normally show up a
    year or two prior to introduction of new models are also said to be
    nonexistent. If you have different information that would cheer up
    Fuji's pro shooters, spill the beans! Based on what body? Using
    what type of sensor?
     
    ASAAR, Aug 29, 2008
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  13. It's good that you have found an acceptable way of reducing the dynamic
    range back to what the display devices can handle without compromising the
    image too much. Examples I had seen earlier were not good - indeed some
    were plain ugly. Do you have your images online somewhere?

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Aug 29, 2008
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  14. HDR software works on any camera. What makes you think it doesn't?
    Although if the dynamic range of the camera is restricted, the dynamic
    range of the HDR using the same exposure settings will also be restricted.
    How much does lens flare restrict the achievable dynamic range?

    My DSLR cost about US $500, IIRC.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Aug 29, 2008
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  15. Maat

    D-Mac Guest

    These are only my opinions. I have been a Fuji user for more years than
    I care to remember. Just last year I sold the last of my Fuji medium
    format stuff. The truth is, no one but Fuji know what Fuji will do.

    They could abandon the one product that allowed them a degree of
    experimentation and concentrate on consumer cameras. They could also do
    exactly the opposite. I don't have any more facts than those spreading
    rumours of impending doom.

    You came up with a load of rumours as if they were fact. They weren't. I
    just gave my opinion as a one time Fuji dealer and long time Fuji Pro user.
     
    D-Mac, Aug 29, 2008
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  16. Maat

    ASAAR Guest

    Wrong. I came up with a load of rumors with reasons why they seem
    plausible, but didn't say anything that would lead you to believe
    that what I said was more fact than rumor. In fact, I asked you to
    provide information that might show that the rumors were mistaken,
    which as I said would cheer up Fuji's pro shooters (and myself as
    well). So we're still where we were, with you thinking that Fuji
    will eventually introduce an S7, and me hoping that you're right but
    remaining pessimistic. Also :

    is there some reason why you chose to not answer the question? I
    wasn't challenging you on this, assumed that you knew what you were
    talking about and was interested in learning the answer to the
    mysterious puzzle of the sixes. Unless you provide a plausible
    answer, I'll have to conclude that it came to you in a dream. :)
     
    ASAAR, Aug 29, 2008
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  17. Maat

    D-Mac Guest

    Things do come to me in dreams but Fuji have always used odd numbering
    to designate a model number and used even numbers after them to
    designate versions of the model. Why would they change now?
     
    D-Mac, Aug 29, 2008
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  18. Maat

    Mark Thomas Guest

    No, they *haven't* always used odd numbering. And so the question 'why
    would they change' is moot. I'm a little puzzled by his odd (PI)
    assertion, given that he says he was a Fuji dealer... Has he never
    heard of the S2? Yes, they did skip the S4 (4 is a slightly 'unlucky'
    number in Japan but who knows if that was why).

    And if they "always used odd numbering" and avoided 6s, where did the
    following come from? They are all Fuji cameras, and these are just
    better known models - I've left lots out..
    F20
    F40fd
    F60fd
    S2 Pro
    S20 Pro
    S6000fd
    S602Z
    S8000fd
    Z20
     
    Mark Thomas, Aug 29, 2008
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  19. Maat

    ASAAR Guest

    No reason, and you may well be right about the next model being
    called S7 instead of S6. The only reason I can think of now why it
    wouldn't be an S7 is pure speculation and is only offered as a very
    remote, outside chance. From lurking in the Fuji SLR Talk forum,
    I've gotten the impression that the S5, while using the D200's
    better body isn't the universal favorite, with a good number there
    preferring the older S3. If a new Fuji DSLR is D300 based with only
    a slightly improved sensor, S7 would be an appropriate name for it.
    But if it's a significantly improved camera with a much better FF
    sensor, stuffed in a D700 body, it'll have'em drooling, especially
    the many wedding photographers over there. In that case, why
    wouldn't Fuji not want to name it the S8 Pro? The greater numerical
    gap would connote a greater improvement than the S5 brought over the
    S3, and the numeral '8' has its own special significance, eh? I
    likes it, I likes it. YMMV.
     
    ASAAR, Aug 29, 2008
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  20. Maat

    ASAAR Guest

    Then there should have been an S1s between the S1 and S2.
    That was my (low probability) guess. But then that might be the
    last of the line, since the next Fibonacci'd Fuji would be the S13,
    and that won't fly.

    The number 8 may also be considered to be lucky by the Japanese,
    but as it's just one guy's opinion, feel free to accept or reject :
    http://www.mandiapple.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-481.html
     
    ASAAR, Aug 29, 2008
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