Olympus EVOLT - 8 MP Consumer DSLR (four thirds)

Discussion in 'Olympus' started by Richard Cockburn, Sep 27, 2004.

  1. Richard Cockburn, Sep 27, 2004
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  2. Richard Cockburn, Sep 27, 2004
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  3. Brian C. Baird, Sep 27, 2004
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  4. On the surface, that is what one would expect, but the first time DSLR
    owner might not be as concerned about that. Look at how many people are
    buying these 8MP cameras like the Pro1 ... with a 2/3 sensor. If the price
    is right, Oly might actually have something here.

    I still plan to buy my 20D very soon. My EOS bag is pretty decent, and this
    now Oly model can't touch the 20D. I'll also be keeping the 10D.
    Nonetheless, I still like to see competition among the manufacturers, and
    it will be interesting to see how this affects the entry-level DSLR market
    .... if it has any effect at all.
     
    Richard Cockburn, Sep 27, 2004
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  5. Sure, but how long until Canon packs the 20D sensor in an updated Rebel
    body for $899? Olys high noise glory will be short lived.
    I'd expect more competition out of Minolta or Pentax than Oly. At least
    they (Minny and Penny) haven't tied themselves down to a nowhere format.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Sep 27, 2004
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  6. Richard Cockburn

    Frank ess Guest

    Sounds right.

    I'd like to suggest an answer for the Naming question on dpreview: The
    inquirer wanted to know why Oly can't just call this new one the E-300
    or some such.

    Look at the number of posts in this group around the time Mr. Canon
    introduced his 300D that were from Brand New users who referred to their
    cameras as "Digital Rebel". Still happens. Watch how many who go for the
    Oly and show up talking "EVOLT".

    How can you expect to combat a REBEL with an e-something?
     
    Frank ess, Sep 27, 2004
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  7. The beauty of competition.
     
    Richard Cockburn, Sep 27, 2004
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  8. I think EVOLT is the American name, and E-300 is the international name.
    They do that to combat grey market sales in the USA. I agree that the E-300
    was a poor name choice ... not that EVOLT ia much better. ;-)
     
    Richard Cockburn, Sep 27, 2004
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  9. What's the price? The Drebel is under $1,000 usd, street prices are around
    $700ish now.
     
    Darrell Larose, Sep 27, 2004
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  10. Richard Cockburn

    Böwsér Guest

    Unless there's a technological breakghrough, no. At the end of the day,
    larger photo sites are better than small, and larger sensors permit more and
    bigger photo sites. The 4/3 system is a wonderful looking system, but I
    think Olympus, and others may have boxed themselves in to a sensor size that
    too small. However, it still looks like a wonderful system, and I may be
    taking a long look at the E300 and a few lenses as a travel kit. Only if the
    quality is there, and the results are at lease equal to the 20D, which I
    view as it's principal competitor. And yes, I realize that Canon, Nikon and
    others have boxed themselves in with the "DX" series lenses, as well. Even
    though they may be able to build bigger sensors, those lenses won't cover
    the area necessary.
     
    Böwsér, Sep 28, 2004
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  11. Richard Cockburn

    Patrick L. Guest


    Phil writes:

    "I can't help but think that the North American name is a mistake, it really
    doesn't mean anything to me nor does it stir any emotion, I really don't
    understand why it can't just be called the E-300 (other than to try and
    guard against grey imports)."



    What's up with the nit-picking, Phil? What about the "Rebel', the
    "Elan", and so and on so on. what's the big deal that you have to gripe
    about such a trivial thing?



    Patrick
     
    Patrick L., Sep 28, 2004
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  12. Richard Cockburn

    PhotoMan Guest

    I don't see Olympus selling many of these bodies until they do something
    about their lens pricing. There aren't many at 'entry level' pricing.
     
    PhotoMan, Sep 29, 2004
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  13. Well they just announced two new consumer lenses 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 and 40-150mm
    f/3.5-4.5 along with the EVOLT, though I don't recall the pricing information.
    I would imagine the third lens announced, 7-14mm (14-28mm) f/4.0 is more of a
    professional lens. Sigma also announced the 18-135 lens.
     
    Michael Meissner, Sep 29, 2004
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  14. Richard Cockburn

    Bill Tuthill Guest

    Let's see... the 40-150/3.5-4.5 is equivalent to an 80-300 lens for
    a 35mm camera. Not bad, f/4.5 at the long end, for a consumer lens.

    Has anybody figured out the pop-up flash on the Evolt/E300? Specs
    say it's a "slide pop-up" but I have no idea what that means.

    My first impression was "that's an ugly camera" but I think that's
    because it doesn't have a raised viewfinder/prism box and high flash.
    Maybe I could get used to the new look, but I fear the flash doesn't
    pop up high enough to avoid redeye.
     
    Bill Tuthill, Sep 29, 2004
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  15. Richard Cockburn

    Clyde Guest

    To really avoid redeye, you need the flash about 12" above the lens.
    That's why wedding photographers put the flash on those brackets. That
    also gives some shading to faces and clothes.

    A lot of new digital camera are "ugly". I guess beauty is in the output.
    I'm waiting breathlessly to see what the results of that are for the
    EVOLT and the new lens. That "ugly" camera sure looks nice and small
    though. That also helps it's 'looks'.

    Clyde
     
    Clyde, Sep 30, 2004
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  16. Richard Cockburn

    Alan Browne Guest

    The only look that counts is the image that is made. There are a few undeniably
    cool looking cameras, and I personally love the old brassy Nikon look, but
    really it is the result that counts.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 30, 2004
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  17. Richard Cockburn

    Mike Henley Guest


    My first impression was "that looks like a solidly built camera".

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/olympus/e300back.jpg
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/olympus/e300press.jpg

    Its design actually appeals to my taste. It looks rugged, high build
    quality, and very usable in the hand. I guess there's something retro
    and no-nonsense about its looks. It would be there with a VW, a Vespa,
    a Stabilo Boss, a Bic 4-color pen... you know, that mid-20th-Century
    European-influenced Design.

    Actually the more I look at it the more I like its looks. It looks
    more like a rangefinder than an SLR. I feel this would be a great
    travel camera.

    I really like Olympus cameras. If the image quality is good I would
    highly consider it in a year from now. But I would totally understand
    why someone with an existing investment in 35mm lenses or someone who
    feels a need to buy many lenses in the future would not be
    enthausiastic about the 4/3rds system.

    Here's a prediction if history proves faithful to its trends :
    considering that 8mp is generally good enough resolution for most
    uses, I predict that in 5 or 10 years time this same quircky-looking
    camera is likely to still have a passionate community/cult of
    collectors long after the current crop of canon/nikon (... etc) dSLRs
    made their way to the trash heaps.
     
    Mike Henley, Oct 7, 2004
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  18. Richard Cockburn

    dj_nme Guest

    Mike Henley wrote:

    The only barrier I can see for older digital cameras (ok, I realy mean
    today's, but in the future) is how well the sensor and other electronics
    can withstand the ravages of time.
    There are 35mm film based cameras from before WWII that are still
    perfectly useable (until 135 film becomes un-available).
    How collectable (eg, in 50 years time) would a digicam be if the sensor
    is kaput?
     
    dj_nme, Oct 7, 2004
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  19. Richard Cockburn

    Mike Henley Guest


    That's why I think this Olympus may have a better chance of
    withstanding the ravages of time than other SLRs. Also, Olympus
    generally builds high quality cameras, and they seem to particularly
    emphasize it as a feature in this one.

    From Olympus E-300 page : "You cannot achieve high-performance without
    a highly-durable camera. The EVOLT-E-300 is built to keep you and your
    images at an optimum level no matter where or when you use it due its
    sturdy and reliable design.

    An aluminum top cover provides added protection for the camera while
    giving it a sophisticated feel. The die-cast aluminum chassis provides
    a strong foundation for a camera that can be used in all kinds of
    conditions. The metallic lens mount supplies further evidence as to
    the ruggedness of the camera while also supporting the use of
    interchangeable lenses up to the largest telephoto lenses in the
    E-System family. It boasts a durable shutter for long-lasting use. And
    its exclusive Supersonic Wave Filter™ repels dust and debris from the
    EVOLT E-300's 8 megapixel CCD so each and every image you capture is
    crystal clear and aberration free, just as you saw it through the
    lens. "

    Indeed, it does look solidly built. It does sound to me from this that
    the camera may be weatherproof, if i am correctly understanding the
    phrase that it "can be used in all kinds of conditions". I also like
    this self-cleaning filter and the deliberately "durable" shutter. I
    also like how this camera is designed for a fully digital image, from
    the 4/3 system lenses to the quircky side-slr thingie.

    The more I look at this camera the more I like it. A look and feel
    reminiscent of rangefinders, and a rugged and durable "all conditions"
    construction; this, indeed, would probably be a great everyday or
    travel camera. The only thing that bothers me about it is that it uses
    proprietary rather than AA batteries. I really would like to hear
    about its image quality from reviewers. In fact, I'll tentatively add
    it to my next summer's wishlist (or even spring if i put enough things
    on ebay to feel okay about it).

    Those WWII you mention probably didn't need any batteries. Also, the
    thing that ensured the longevity of the film format was its
    simplicity. It didn't matter what innovation went into film media, for
    as long as it was the same size it was backward compatible.
     
    Mike Henley, Oct 7, 2004
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  20. Richard Cockburn

    Mike Henley Guest

    I'm not sure what that means but it says one of the features of this
    pop-up flash is that you don't get that lens shadow in the close-up
    shots.

    Here are images with one of them of the flash (it does seem to reach
    up higher than usual pop-up flashes)

    http://www.dcresource.com/news/newsitem.php?id=2878

    here's the official olympus e-300 page
    http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_product_blue.asp?l=1&p=&bc=&product=1140&fl=43
     
    Mike Henley, Oct 7, 2004
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