Olympus low pricing; Never again?

Discussion in 'Olympus' started by RichA, Jul 30, 2005.

  1. RichA

    Stacey Guest

    Well he said he -has- to use sRGB with his -system- or he has "weird
    problems" so he is giving up image quality to keep it simple. He's "dumbed
    down" his workflow to the lowest comon denominator which is a monitor. He
    owns a printer that is capable of printing almost all of aRGB and with a
    good profile using aRGB would probably produce better prints than the lab
    he's using. But without using a good color managed workflow, that isn't
    going to happen. It's why I bought some books and learned how it all works.

    Given I use canon printers, I don't think there is anything wrong with many
    of their products. He and several others have made some ignorant coments
    concerning color managment and it's obvious now they don't want to
    understand it? He has the same printer I use and I'd never cripple it
    using sRGB yet he thinks there is no advantage to using aRGB because he got
    "weird results" using it? Kinda like turning off color managment instead
    of leaning how it works when it doesn't do what you expect!


    Also given this thread was about OLYMPUS products, him and a couple of other
    pro canon people once again slam olympus and then cry if someyone points
    out ANYTHING olympus might be better at? His coment was about the bad color
    in an image I posted, then turns out he's using a whacked out -color
    managment- (using the term loosly) setup to view images with?
     
    Stacey, Aug 7, 2005
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  2. RichA

    Stacey Guest

    The OCR is very close to what I saw. If the ARC was as good, why would I buy
    software that doesn't produce better results? I've tried tweaking the
    WB/color settings in ACR and never could get the same results color wise I
    got with OCR. I'm sure the same is true with any RAW converter as they each
    are going to have their own look.
     
    Stacey, Aug 7, 2005
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  3. RichA

    Stacey Guest


    Actually they have a "different conversion" no matter how much tweaking you
    do. Image that different conversion software would have different
    conversions.
     
    Stacey, Aug 7, 2005
  4. RichA

    Pixby Guest

    You are one sad puppy, Stacey.
    If you actually had a clue yourself, you might find an audience for your
    beliefs... And that's all they are; Your beliefs.
     
    Pixby, Aug 7, 2005
  5. RichA

    Pixby Guest

    Stacey wrote:
    A whole lot of unqualified rubbish which I deleted.
    ---------------
    Stacey...
    My chemical print system cost over $200,000. It accepts sRGB as it's
    preferred colour profile. I could change that to Adobe RGB or wide Gamut
    RGB but if I did, about 80% of my custom printing would not match my
    client's files. Can you guess it's brand and what it's reputation says
    it's best at doing?

    If you use a Canon printer, you have never made a wide gamut print.
    Worse, if you give the output to your clients ...you are in no way shape
    of form, providing them with prints of durable colour. Canon provide
    printer drivers a blind person could get correct colour with. They just
    can't make it stay that way for very long once it's in the wild.

    Skip clearly chooses to adopt a Professional Photographers "best
    practice" and have his client's work printed on silver Halide paper
    instead of risk claims for compensation when one of his wedding albums
    turns a strange shade of magenta.

    Before you start getting into a debate on colour calibration, understand
    the process. More importantly, understand it's application. I used to
    think some of your B&W shots were well thought out. Your standing a
    photographer is not enhanced by arguing about pie in the sky, globally
    available colour calibration... It has never and will never exist.
     
    Pixby, Aug 7, 2005
  6. RichA

    Pixby Guest

    One very real problem which has existed ever since colour film, is how
    different developers, effect the colour of a photograph. Nothing has
    changed with digital RAW images. What we have now that was never
    possible with film, is more chances to develop the image again and again
    until we discover the process we are most comfortable with.

    Stacey is right about the Oly software and ACR. ACR does some
    considerable modification to many things quite differently than the
    Olympus software. I have often tried to successfully develop Olympus
    images with ACR, eventually giving up and asking for the Oly software to
    get the image out.

    ACR doesn't get a lot right by default. Raw Shooter at zero exposure
    compensation will develop a canon image correctly exposed while ACR
    needs constant tinkering with exposure values to stay constant. There
    are much better RAW file developers out there than Adobe's.
     
    Pixby, Aug 7, 2005
  7. RichA

    Stacey Guest

    LOL, so your solution to problems arsing from using the wrong printer
    profile is to turn off color management?
    Yea, I guess I'm the only one who has a printer profile for each type of
    paper used?
     
    Stacey, Aug 7, 2005
  8. RichA

    Stacey Guest

    So what? You've dumbed down your printer to deal with people like Skip who
    are clueless about color management. I'm sure most labs use sRGB because of
    this. Doesn't mean the quality is better because you've crippled the
    printer.
    Interesting that when soft proofing an aRGB image using a custom profile
    made for my specific printer/paper I rarely see out of gamut colors but
    it's VERY comon to see colors that are out of gamut for my monitor profile
    and/or sRGB. So how how exactly am I not using the wider space of aRGB.

    BTW check out the PDF I posted for Skip, it clearly shows the printer can
    deal with colors outside sRGB quite well, hence the reason they developed
    profile to use aRGB with that printer.
    The driver is OK (if you RTFM), the profiles aren't good at all. It's not
    rocket science to have a custom profile made and only costs $40. Anyone who
    thinks the default profile included with a canon printer produces a good
    color match -could- turn off color managment and never see the difference!


    No problem using silver printing instead of inkjet. I've yet to see this
    fading people talk about but I'm not laying my prints out in the sun
    either. What Skip has done is editing his images to fit ONE uncalibrated
    output device which isn't a good idea. And what you've done is dumbed down
    your printer to fit with people who can't be bothered to learn color
    management. Doesn't make either one of them right or the best way to do
    this.
     
    Stacey, Aug 7, 2005
  9. RichA

    Brian Baird Guest

    Well, no fucking duh. But the biggest difference is the contrast
    between those two photos. I'm sure on the pixel level and histograms
    we'd see more differences, but they would be slight compared to the
    photo as a whole.
     
    Brian Baird, Aug 7, 2005
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