One for the Duck, and anyone else

Discussion in 'Photography' started by tony cooper, Sep 10, 2012.

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    tony cooper Guest

    tony cooper, Sep 10, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Well there is the evidence of a life lived hard.

    That said, I will try my hand with this one. We might end up with more
    than one variation.
     
    Savageduck, Sep 10, 2012
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  3. tony cooper

    Savageduck Guest

    OK!
    Here are a few of my interpretations together with a jpeg of the
    original. Strangely enough as much as I enjoy B&W, I think that this is
    a shot which does better in color. It is all opinion and taste again,
    so most importantly, thanks for letting us play. I look forward to see
    what other variations materialize.

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    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lx56l61b7bbj1se/d9ktF5SDvz/Shared Images/USENET SHARE/TC-B&W Exercise-01
     
    Savageduck, Sep 10, 2012
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    sid Guest

    Well I'll play, I thought the colour version looked good too so here's both
    of mine

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92601884/2012-09-09-RAW-B&W.jpg
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92601884/2012-09-09-RAW-sid-colour.jpg
     
    sid, Sep 10, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    The initial image at full size is a little soft which reduced the
    contrast in her "experienced" face.

    I didn't like the light area to the left so I started by selectively
    filling that in after cropping it down. Not ideal.

    Also tamed that light area in her right eyeglass lens - but that would
    need another more careful pass. In converting to B&W it was mostly removed.

    Over sharpened (with USM) the full size image to bring out some fine
    detail on her skin.

    Converted to mono with a blue filter then raised the red filter to
    lighten it up a bit while retaining her rich skin tone.

    Re-sized and USM'd again (lighter of course).

    Here ya go.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi0accn2i9f2txc/Woman-BW.jpg
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 10, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    I would not say no to that woman.
     
    PeterN, Sep 11, 2012
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  7. That is a wonderful image, to put it mildly! I rather
    like your rendition of it too. It has a bit too much
    contrast, and the face is too dark. Plus it is
    oversharpened as a whole, with the result that the hair
    and the wonderful tones of her white blouse are just
    slightly too attractive. Selective sharpening would
    have made it a little better.

    That darkness of her face and the high contrast make it
    very apparent that the woman has less significance than
    her wrinkles. I don't think that's a good idea, though
    of course that is very much a judgement call.
    Duck's version are not very good...
    Here's mine:

    http://apaflo.com/misc/tony002.s.jpg

    In addition to the above, I made the negative space a
    little more negative, changed the crop to a 4x5 aspect
    ratio, worked a bit on the "brightness" effect of
    looking through her glasses, selectively sharpened some
    wrinkles and not others. And I trimmed stray hairs on
    the right side of her head because they were a
    distraction.

    I tried to make it more a portrait of the woman rather
    than a picture of a nice set of wrinkles... :)
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Sep 11, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Busy getting images ready for my CC competition. I'll play over the weekend.
     
    PeterN, Sep 11, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Savageduck, Sep 11, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Didn't work, did it?
     
    Savageduck, Sep 11, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

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    Alan Browne Guest

    Too pale IMO. In the colour image, the skin tone had a red component
    and that seems washed out when converted to B&W in this image.

    There's also some strange noise added when viewed at 100%.
    Again some strange noise and somehow the blouse went blue which is not a
    component in the original.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 11, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I'm afraid I don't like any of those much other than 5/9 which seems to
    have the right contrast but looks soft and the blouse has taken on a
    darker tone not present in the original.

    The color ones all took on a blue tone in the blouse which seems off to
    me (sid had the same issue).
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 11, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    The curse of the added vignette.

    I must just state in my defense, if we were working toward a
    photo-journalistic reality here I might have worked toward a less
    "interpretive" solution.
    Hell I might still just do that, but I think this is a case for, ...er,
    an artistic interpretation rather than photo-realism.
     
    Savageduck, Sep 11, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    For the B&W I see that, but I'm not sure why the vignette would blue the
    blouse?
    I wasn't shooting.
    Is there a mandate as to where these photos are supposed to go?
    Eh ..., er... ah... okaaaaaay.

    I looked at Tony's colour (which I now realize in CRaw that the colours
    were a bit boosted before he sent it, so I might revisit the B&W) and
    tried to visualize the B&W. Her skin tone was ruddy (if that's the
    right term) beyond the wrinkles. So I wanted to make sure that tine was
    expressed.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 11, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Aah! The mystery of PP.
    Good! I wasn't wearing my vest.

    Anyway here are two worked with as much of a straight eye as I could
    conjure up given the appeal of the subject matter. ;-)

    < http://db.tt/tp89bhWw >
    < http://db.tt/LcOn9QLt >
     
    Savageduck, Sep 12, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Something about that I just don't like - not enough contrast - I think.
    And there is still a blue tinge in the blouse - do you see it too?
    I'm sure it's not my monitor (blouse on color v. is white(r)).

    I'm taking another crack at the colour v. and I'm removing what Tony
    boosted (I think. Tony?) in the colours.
    Better, though still a little too light (IMO).

    IMO: Means "Look dude, I have impeccable judgement and I know what I'm
    talking about and you don't. Phhhwwet!" Or words to that effect.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 12, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Okay, colour this time.

    First off, and please confirm Tony, when you posted the .dng file you
    had already changed the clarity (+80) and vibrance (+30) and a slight
    touch to the black point (9)?

    Anyway, I reset those to 0, boosted the black point somewhat and
    increased the exposure by 0.7 in CRaw.

    Then in PS.

    Desaturated and smudged the green area.
    Removed some green from her right eyeglass (screwed that up as you
    can see from the grey in
    there ).
    Slightly saturated the red channel.
    Oversharpened (USM at full size)
    Resized
    Fixed the smudged area some more
    USM ("just enough").

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/7gvjrysafrqlbu8/Woman-Col.jpg
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 12, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    ....but in my bedroom, I am the "Supreme Commander"!

    OK! My last dabble with this one.
    ....and I am done.

    < http://db.tt/tMlTt6TZ >
    < http://db.tt/nLhK2Dsm >
     
    Savageduck, Sep 12, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest


    As Bart Simpson would say " bhhhheuuuuuh "
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 12, 2012
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