One for Tony's Consideration

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Savageduck, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. Savageduck

    tony cooper Guest

    Yeah, sure.
    I didn't zoom. What makes you think I did?

    Just another excuse from you.
     
    tony cooper, Sep 4, 2012
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  2. Savageduck

    tony cooper Guest

    If I didn't know you were being serious here, I'd have to give you
    points for the driest humor so far posted in this forum.

    Minimizing his effort with observation that what he did was "not for
    the specific context" is bizarre when you have deviated from the
    specific context yourself.
     
    tony cooper, Sep 4, 2012
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  3. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    Not bad, not bad at all.

    I actually believe that is one of the better efforts. You have dealt
    with the awkward shadow on the right of his face (viewer's left). You
    haven't made, what I believe to be a mistake others might have done, in
    trying to set a "white point using the "NYPD" lettering.

    The hoodie is not a true white, but a light shade of grey. The
    lettering and the inside of the hoodie are made up of darker shades of
    grey. He is wearing a white shirt, and your only blown highlight is the
    piece of his collar on the left of his neck.

    You have addressed the deep shade under the peak of the cap.

    You are showing his hands without screwing up the balance of the entire
    image. wisely you have not bothered to spend too much effort on the
    trousers and they benefit.

    I like it. Nice work.

    ....and I know, all done with GIMP. ;-)
     
    Savageduck, Sep 4, 2012
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  4. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    BTW: I have also added your shot to the B&W-Exercise-01 DB Folder:
    <
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lx56l61b7bbj1se/Dg9rVBfX4e/Shared Images/USENET SHARE/B&W Exercise-01
     
    Savageduck, Sep 4, 2012
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  5. That is the one I specifically said was to demonstrate how ugly it is.

    I should have also mentioned how it will demonstrate who has logical
    thought processes, or not...
    If you see all of that, probably you should verify that you monitor
    is adjusted correctly, or perhaps even needs replacement. You might
    ask the kid next door to show you how to set contrast...
    I've *never* claimed anything like "super-skilled". I also do not
    tell people that software I know nothing about doesn't have features
    that it does have, or that it can't be used for the purposes they use
    it for.
    We are all looking at images with different monitors.
    If you can't see the detail on the hoodie, open the
    image up in any decent editor, make a selection around
    that area, and look at 1) an histogram, and 2) a
    thresholded view.

    The fact that there is detail there, and that it is in
    the brightest fstop, will be obvious. It is true that
    most of the detail that was in the original full image
    was lost to resampling when the image was downsized for
    web viewing, but there is in fact still detail there.
    I always get laughs out of people attempting such gratuitous
    insults.
    Every edit you make is affect by composition and affects the
    composition.

    And in fact the image does have artistic value, even if you
    can't see what it is.
    His eyes aren't squinched, and I certainly did improve them. When
    you make statements like that is is clear that what you say is related
    only to you emotions and has nothing to do with reality.
    A functional eye...
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Sep 4, 2012
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  6. Savageduck

    sid Guest

    Now we're getting to the bottom of it :)
     
    sid, Sep 4, 2012
    #86
  7. All you had to do was actually *read* the article in which I posted
    the URL. It wasn't hidden or disguised!
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Sep 4, 2012
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  8. Since I didn't, your comments are the usual non-sequitor.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Sep 4, 2012
    #88
  9. That has been pointed out in these newsgroups many times over
    several years. Those who didn't figure it out when it was
    explained to them 10 years ago still don't get the drift...
    and never will.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Sep 5, 2012
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  10. Savageduck

    tony cooper Guest

    I didn't check the thread, but - as I recall it - you were successful
    in demonstrating how bad you could make the hands look, but you
    weren't claiming the black and white conversion was deliberately ugly.
    Is that your claim now?
    As I said, I'm viewing everyone's image on the same screen. Duck's
    show detail. Yours doesn't.
    No, that's not what's at play here, and you know that. Each of us
    sees each image on the same monitor.
    Comparison on the same monitor to other images is what counts.
    You have to be kidding.
     
    tony cooper, Sep 5, 2012
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  11. Savageduck

    otter Guest

    otter, Sep 5, 2012
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  12. Savageduck

    tony cooper Guest

    I don't think there's ever been a disagreement about this. Certainly
    not from me.
     
    tony cooper, Sep 5, 2012
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  13. Savageduck

    otter Guest

    otter, Sep 5, 2012
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  14. Savageduck

    tony cooper Guest

    Excellent job. Good detail in the hoodie, great detail in the woolly
    area of the hood, good treatment of the hands, normal ears, and
    sufficient removal of face shadow. A little blur on the background,
    too.

    Much less bright than mine, and that works much better.

    As far as following the exercise, the clear winner. I'll give otter
    the gold for the best image over-all even though he didn't follow the
    exercise.
     
    tony cooper, Sep 5, 2012
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  15. Savageduck

    otter Guest

    I think the shadow on the face is actually part of what makes this
    shot interesting.

    Anyway, pretty tough to lift those shadows without creating a lot of
    noise. Some of these conversions have left his face looking like the
    surface of the moon.
     
    otter, Sep 5, 2012
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  16. Savageduck

    tony cooper Guest

    It's OK, but not as good as your color version. Very good from the
    chin down, but not so good with the face and the shadows, and back to
    very good with the cap.

    What you have is an interesting character study, but not a good
    example of how to rescue an image. Basically, you have a sharp
    version of a bad photo.

    You use GIMP, right? Does GIMP have dodge and burn tools? Couldn't
    you minimize that white thing over the (viewer's) left shoulder?
     
    tony cooper, Sep 5, 2012
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  17. Savageduck

    otter Guest

    I use LR primarily. I also have CS5, but haven't been using it that
    much. Not a GIMP guy.

    I'm sure it could be improved more, but I think I am about done with
    this.
     
    otter, Sep 5, 2012
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  18. Savageduck

    tony cooper Guest

    Sorry...I lose track of who has what.

    You use the LR presets for b&w?

    Nice color version, though.
     
    tony cooper, Sep 5, 2012
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  19. Savageduck

    otter Guest

    I usually follow a procedure Scott Kelby put in his Lightroom3 book,
    which involves fiddling with the exposure slider, recovery, blacks,
    clarity, sharpening...
    Only it didn't work so well in this case due to the hoodie. Not much
    room to increase the exposure without blowing out the hoodie.

    I don't use the presets much. I suppose I should play with them more.
     
    otter, Sep 5, 2012
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  20. Savageduck

    otter Guest

    otter, Sep 5, 2012
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