Opinion on Nikon D80 vs Panasonic Lumix L1

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by aniramca, Aug 18, 2007.

  1. aniramca

    aniramca Guest

    Recently, I saw at the photo store relatively comparable prices
    between a Nikon D80 and Lumix L1. I wonder if anyone who have used
    both cameras can provide some input about these two cameras. The Lumix
    L1 is relatively large, but I heard that it has an exceptional lens
    quality. When I held it on my hand, It reminds me of an old Pentax 6x7
    (although it is not quite the same camera.... but relatively large in
    comparison to any regular DSLR). I believe that the D80 is equipped
    with the 18-135mm lens. I don;t know what lens that L1 has for the
    same price range as the Nikon D80 package, perhaps a Leica 14-50mm
    lens (standard?).
    My experience with Canon and Lumix P&S camera now seems to favour more
    for the Panasonic. Panasonic cameras seems to have better, sharp,
    colourful images than Canon (without post processing, and shoot the
    view side by side). I don't known about Nikon cameras.
    Thanks for info.
    PS - The monster L1 perhaps has been sitting at the shop for a while,
    as noone seems to be interested in it (because of size?). So, it was
    discounted a little too.
    Do you think a new L1 will come out of the market shortly? I am
    getting tired of listening news about the two popular brand cameras,
    and perhaps they are overrated.
     
    aniramca, Aug 18, 2007
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    Trev Guest

    You do know the L1 sensor is smaller then most DSLR except Olympus
     
    Trev, Aug 18, 2007
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    aniramca Guest

    Yes... it is the 4/3 size, and smaller the regular DSLR sensor. But
    it is larger than the most advanced P&S camera.
     
    aniramca, Aug 18, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    What about the Sony R1?
     
    Pete D, Aug 18, 2007
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  5. aniramca

    aniramca Guest

    I saw this Sony R1 at one camera store, and my first impression is its
    huge, clear lens. It is Carl Zeiss lens and I assume it is an
    excellent one. However, I hardly heard any people or any readers in
    this newsgroup discussed about this camera. The dpreview concluded
    that it is a good camera and highly recommended. Can anyone comment
    about the quality of this camera, as well as the built, and its long
    term performance? It appears to have a good range of zoom lens, and
    indeed it is perhaps the only SLR like camera which has large size
    sensor. Does Sony still produce this camera, or is it discontinued? I
    never owned a Sony camera before. I heard that its Alpha DSLR model
    has only lukewarm reception (in a market dominated by only two major
    players). I have a brochure from Sony, and it is a very good brochure,
    but I still don;t kniow about the camera. Going back to R1, the one
    that I saw at this store is perhaps the only one in town, and nobody
    bought it in the past 6 months... (just like the Lumix L1).
    By the way, I went back to the store and check the D80... and found
    out that it is not for me... The right handle that contains the
    battery is too bulky for me, and my hand could not go a round it. So,
    it may as well has a square corner like the L1. I also looked at the
    Olympus E-330... which share the same live view technology and 4/3
    lens with Lumix. Both E-330 and Lumix L1 look very solid. However, the
    E-410 and 510 looks cheap on the feel.
    Thanks for info, and would like to hear about Sony R1.
     
    aniramca, Aug 19, 2007
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  6. I've used neither camera - so I'll be brief. For me the 4/3 system should
    have been ideal, as I like small and light, but the systems which are out
    there are not really a lot smaller than the DSLRs, and don't have the full
    benefit of a DSLR-sized sensor. So at the moment I would go for the D80,
    which also offers a far greater range of system components than 4/3 does
    right now.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Aug 19, 2007
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  7. observed
    Earlier this year, when I decided that I was not returning to the
    interchangeable lens fold, (I used to get a stiff neck and shoulder
    lugging a bagful around) I considered the R1 very seriously.

    At the time Calumet had a special offer on of £499 - which looked
    attractive compared with the original £999 price, and I was tempted.
    However, I've never laid hands on one and so was reluctant to buy blind
    (only having read the Dpreview in great detail
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/ )

    I loved the idea of a high quality 24mm equiv. lens albeit a bit
    restricted at the 'long end' (f4.8).

    When I looked again at Calumet's site it had risen to £699 - presumably
    they got rid of their overstock of a discontinued camera - and now they
    don't list it.

    So I took the next best option a Lumix FZ50, which I am happy to report,
    I don't regret even though I have to have a wide angle supplementary
    lens for decent wide angle (and which I couldn't use yesterday in the
    pouring rain, due to ineffective hooding).

    Mike

    --
    Michael J Davis

    Now with added pictures on http://www.flickr.com/photos/watchman

    <><
    They are called digital cameras because of the way
    you have to use fingers to get the memory card out!
    <><
     
    Michael J Davis, Aug 19, 2007
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  8. Dpreviews have user discussion forums where you can find a lot of
    discussion of the R1 by owners. On photo sharing web sites like flickr
    you can find lots of examples of full-resolution R1 images.

    I bought a second hand one six months ago simply because I came across
    a good second hand deal. New ones at good prices still turn up from
    time to time on Ebay. IMHO to beat its image quality with a DSLR &
    lens you'd have to pay a *lot* more. It's big & heavy & gives the
    impression of being very solidly engineered. It's got plenty of
    buttons & knobs for fast access to adjustments & modes.

    I'm still learning what it can do & still being impressed. The only
    major complaint I have is that it's difficult to use the LCD, or the
    LCD-based optical viewfinder, in bright sun. If I lost it I'd
    seriously consider getting another one.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Aug 23, 2007
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    aniramca Guest

    Since I started digging into the Sony R1 information, I came a cross a
    number of gallery sites which are using the Sony R1. The photos were
    simply amazing - particularly in relation to its colour richness and
    sharpness. I don't know if it is because of the huge Carl Zeiss lens,
    the larger than normal sensor size for non DSLR, or a combination of
    both. It is too bad that someone indicated that an R2 will not likely
    to come up to replace the R1. I also believe that the model is now
    discontinued, as it does not appear in the official Sony website
    anymore.

    Then, if you look at the price, it is comparable to a Pentax K10D, and
    more expensive than their Alpha DSLR line. For just a little bit more
    money, you can get either a Nikon D80 or a Canon 30D. But I still feel
    that the R1 is an outstanding quality camera.

    Should I get a used R1, or should I go for the DSLR? (Note that I
    started this discussion, because I was looking for a non
    interchangeable lens digital camera, and I want a larger size sensor
    than those tiny 1/1.75" or 1/2.5" sensors commonly placed in all non
    DSLR). I will actually settle for a Lumix Fx50 if it has larger
    sensor.
     
    aniramca, Aug 23, 2007
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    RBrickston Guest

    There are 8 currently listed on Ebay. The review at

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/page27.asp

    says:


    "...the lens is worth the price of the DSC-R1 alone. That fact is not to
    be underestimated, it's a great lens which provides you with a very useful
    24 - 120 mm zoom range (which will be sufficient for the majority of
    users). Doing the math it's pretty clear that you have to spend a fairly
    considerable sum on lenses for a D-SLR to get close to this range and the
    quality of the DSC-R1's lens."

    I would consider one for myself, but the lcd location is odd. Hell of a
    camera though.
     
    RBrickston, Aug 23, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    The sensor in the L1 is fine, it isn't DR limited the way the new
    Olympus 10 meg sensors are. The problem is the brick-like L1 body.
    Solid, and horrible to hold.
     
    RichA, Aug 24, 2007
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    ASAAR Guest

    The R1 and FZ50 both have 10mp sensors, but the R1's APS size
    sensor is a bit more than 8 times larger than the FZ50's 1/1.8"
    sensor. It's 21.5x14.4mm vs. 7.176x5.319mm(per DPReview), or in
    square millimeters, 309.6 vs. 38.17. For a P&S though, the FZ50's
    1/1.8" sensor is fairly large, but alas, smaller even than 1/1.75".
    Smaller also than the 8mp 2/3" sensor used in the Olympus C-8080,
    Sony DSC-F828, Nikon CP 8800, and Konica-Minolta A2.

    Are there any cameras using 1/1.75" sensors? DPReview's mini
    glossary page for sensor sizes jumps from 1/1.8" to 1/1.7".
     
    ASAAR, Aug 24, 2007
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  13. A lot smaller than the R1.
    I find the tiltable and rotatable LCD (plus an EVF) to be one its
    great features. I particularly like the way it can be held at waist
    level looking down on the LCD like using a twin-lens reflex.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Aug 24, 2007
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    Alan Browne Guest

    This camera can presumably be coupled with the many fine lenses from
    Olympus for the 4/3 standard. That in itself holds high promise for
    this camera.

    However, once you're locked in to that lens system you're locked into
    4/3. Oly have done an admirable job on image quality but there is the
    looming megapixel limit of the system due to the smaller sensor.

    Now that Nikon have dipped their toes into full-frame it is a near
    certainty that FF will prevail and will offer, over the long term higher
    ISO with less noise that the 4/3 system can physically achieve. Larger
    sensors simply have that headroom over any smaller sensor.
    While I'm not a Nikon or Canon shooter, I would go Nikon or Canon over
    4/3. ...or wait and see what branch Sony take with a 1.0, 1.1, 1.3 or
    1.5x crop sensor. And what Sony offer in sensors, Pentax will be sure
    to offer as well.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 24, 2007
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    Tony Polson Guest


    The LCD location isn't "odd". It is actually one of the camera's best
    features, with the lens and sensor. Without this clever and *very*
    useful LCD, I almost certainly would not have bought the camera.
     
    Tony Polson, Aug 24, 2007
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