Opinions on America's Got Talent sound mix?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Doc, Jul 27, 2006.

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    Doc Guest

    Anyone paying attention during Bianca Ryan's performance on AGT tonight?
    What did you think of the sound mix?
     
    Doc, Jul 27, 2006
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    It's real tough to mix that many acts in a single show. They must have close
    to 100 mics, at least two different mixes, and probably not too much
    rehearsal time for each of them.

    I'll forgive them some audio screwups.

    But their director still sucks. During the magician with the birds, he's
    back to cutting in audience reactions while the magician is doing things with
    his props.
     
    Larry in AZ, Jul 27, 2006
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    Manny Guest

    I agree. The video direction is one of the worst jobs I've seen in a long
    time.
    Whoever is doing it suffers from extreme ADHD. No shot of an act is longer
    than 1 or 2 seconds and always seems to cut away at the most interesting
    moments.
    It's as if the performance is meaningless. Reminds me of America's Funniest
    Home Videos where the director considers that audience reaction is "cute".
    Even though I like the show, the direction makes it almost unwatchable.


     
    Manny, Jul 27, 2006
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  4. Doc

    Doc Guest

    With someone like her with huge spikes in volume, I can see where it might
    be tough to get her part to be well balanced, which was my main complaint,
    she was clear enough on the loud/high parts, but a bit buried at other
    times. Sounded like they had her EQ'd a bit bright/harshly too. Do you
    figure they do one size fits all on the eq or do they adjust according to a
    previous battle plan?
     
    Doc, Jul 27, 2006
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    Surely those cuts were made in 'post'?!
    Gotta agree with your assessment there!
     
    Rick Merrill, Jul 27, 2006
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    Bob A Guest

    I enjoy the concept of varied acts, but like others have said the edit
    completely sucks. What the hell are they thinking???
    I gave up at the 'Rappin' Granny' and changed the chanel, that was too
    painful...
     
    Bob A, Jul 27, 2006
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    Mark Guest

    Have you noticed many shows are produced like that, especially kid
    shows... 1 to 2 second cuts one after another....I can't watch them,
    makes me crazy....kids will sit and watch this stuff for hours....

    I think this may be one of the CAUSES of the increase in ADHD in
    kids.... and I'm not kidding about this.

    Mark
     
    Mark, Jul 27, 2006
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  8. "Mark" wrote ...
    The Sesame Street generation is not directing TV.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 27, 2006
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    Bill Fright Guest

    I bet it's switched live with all cameras iso. Trust me the only way to
    switch the show that obnoxiously is live. They just fix obvious flaws in
    post. This hyper switching technique is all the rage these days. I hate
    it because the switch becomes part of the performance and is distracting
    as hell.


    If this show had a bigger budget they'd iso the mics too and remix the
    musical acts before air. Like ACL or BBC shows they could sweeten the
    mix. Cheap production is what I saw and heard.
     
    Bill Fright, Jul 27, 2006
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  10. Er, what I meant to type was...
    "The Sesame Street generation is NOW directing TV. "
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 27, 2006
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  11. Uhm, Sesame Street doesn't use fast cuts.
    You surely mean the MTV-generation.

    -m-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jul 27, 2006
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    Waiving the right to remain silent, Rick Merrill
    We don't know that, so "surely" is a bit presumptive...
     
    Larry in AZ, Jul 27, 2006
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    It depends on how many channels they have available for mixing and EQ. If
    mics and/or channels have to be shared among performers, then they may hit
    the wall on how many presets are available.
     
    Larry in AZ, Jul 27, 2006
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    I do indeed presume that any cut of "1 or 2 seconds" is being made
    accurately to a Small Fraction of a Second, or single frame, and is
    therefore being made in Post Production - I would require proof of any
    presumption to the contrary.
     
    Rick Merrill, Jul 27, 2006
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    Carey Carlan Guest

    When did you last watch a live football or baseball game?
     
    Carey Carlan, Jul 28, 2006
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  16. Would my word, as someone who has worked for years on live and
    live-to-tape shows, count as proof?

    Time yourself and see how long it takes to say "Ready One, Take One,
    Ready Two, Take Two, Ready Three, Take Three." Shound come in around
    three seconds.

    It's not the norm, but some directors like to cut that quickly.
    Fortunately they're the exception rather than the rule.

    --
    "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
    - Lorin David Schultz
    in the control room
    making even bad news sound good

    (Remove spamblock to reply)
     
    Lorin David Schultz, Jul 28, 2006
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  17. When I used to do fast cuts on live events, I just dropped the "ready" bit.
    A simple "and three" is much quicker :)

    -m-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jul 28, 2006
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    Scott Dorsey Guest

    One's on, three's on, two's on, one's on, one's still on, one's still on,
    two's on, two's on, one's on, three's on.... rack that zoom in and out three.
    --scott
     
    Scott Dorsey, Jul 28, 2006
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    Doc Guest

    Last night on the results show, the sound people really blew it when Bianca
    did her song. They cut off the reverb about 2 secs into the song and had her
    really strangely eq'd. Her pitchiness led me to think she was having a hard
    time hearing herself through whatever monitors they have. Sounded like they
    were horsing around with levels during her performance and it seemed her mic
    cut out altogether a couple of times.

    Jeezus, aren't these supposed to be pros on a high-profile national tv show?
     
    Doc, Jul 29, 2006
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