Optical viewfinders have been eclipsed

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by RichA, Jul 11, 2007.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Using the 10x Live View mode on the Olympus cameras now allows more
    precise focusing than an optical viewfinder can provide. In some
    cases with fast long lenses, the difference between precise focus and
    moderately precise focus could be as little as a small fraction of a
    mm in a turn of a manual focus ring on a lens. With modern 2.5" LCD
    screens and the 10x magnification, there is never any doubt about the
    focus point. It also has the additional benefit of amplifying the
    light level if you are focusing under dim lighting conditions.
     
    RichA, Jul 11, 2007
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    John Bean Guest

    I wish somebody would eclipse you...
     
    John Bean, Jul 11, 2007
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  3. RichA

    RichA Guest

    You and the cabal on dpreview doing your best for God, country and
    Olympus?
     
    RichA, Jul 11, 2007
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    John Bean Guest

    Rich, don't be a fuckwit all your life, give yourself a day
    off.
     
    John Bean, Jul 11, 2007
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    Doug Jewell Guest

    The question I have is...
    Have you ever used either?
    Have you ever used Olympus live view to manually focus on an object? If your
    saying it "eclipses" the optical viewfinder, then I'm guessing you've never
    used it. If you had used olympus live view on the E410 or E510, you'd know
    about the 1-2 second shutter lag when using live view, which makes it
    completely useless except for a small number of circumstances where you have
    a completely static subject. This makes it good for stuff like macro work,
    landscapes, product shots etc, but useless for stuff like portraits,
    wildlife, sports, etc. And since you talk about precise focussing with long,
    fast lenses, how frequently do you use a long, fast lenses to take photos of
    completely static objects?
     
    Doug Jewell, Jul 11, 2007
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    Bates Guest


    Wow do you even think this stuff through?

    Why do they put optical view finders on P&S cameras? Because if you
    are out on a bright day an LCD viewfinder is pretty much useless.
    Removing the viewfinder on a SLR would be foolish. Even if they did
    manage to make an LCD bright enough to handle an extremely bright day
    - it would SUCK batteries dry in no time.

    Maybe Olympus should fix their autofocus algorithm instead of coming
    up with new ways for people to go back to manual focus. Yes I know
    with long lenses AF can be a problem on most systems - but I'd rather
    the camera manufacturers figure out how to fix that then to try and
    make us do the focusing. I'd rather spend time composing the picture
    than focusing my images.

    Another thing - your comment about the difference between almost in
    focus and "precise" focus being only a fraction of a millimetre off -
    even if I can zoom using an LCD that is not going to change things.
    Instead, the camera manufactures could learn from their microscope
    divisions (Olympus, Nikon, Leica all make nice scopes) and give us two
    focus rings - one for "gross focus" and another for "detailed focus".

    Bates....
     
    Bates, Jul 11, 2007
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  7. RichA

    RichA Guest

    I have no problem with a non-though the lens finder on a DSLR. Just
    like a rangefinder.
    Funny, I can run the E-330 for hours using the LCD for macro and that
    doesn't happen.
    It's not as fast as Canon or Nikon but it is FAR more accurate and far
    less often "confused."
    But, with the E-3 coming, the claim is the fastest AF available. I'd
    rather have accurate.

    Yes I know
    Be good if it was selectable, those last slow few milliseconds would
    bother some people.
     
    RichA, Jul 12, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Great, wonderful for rapaid shooting or moving targets. For everyone else
    there is real cameras with real viewfinders, oh soory you bought Olypus, bad
    luck.
     
    Pete D, Jul 12, 2007
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  9. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Small number of circumstances? Depends on what you shoot.
    But I am referring to primarily static subjects or ones that if they
    are moving, are not moving over large distances.
    For macro, the E-330s live view 10x and articulated LCD simply cannot
    be beat.
     
    RichA, Jul 12, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    John,

    Be fair, the Olys viewfinders are that bad that anything will help. For
    those with real cameras it just isn't needed.
     
    Pete D, Jul 12, 2007
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  11. RichA

    Pete D Guest

    If you get conversant with the hyperfocal characteristics of your lenses
    then focus may well not be a problem.
     
    Pete D, Jul 12, 2007
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  12. RichA

    Pete D Guest

    But just not needed, if the object is properly in focus using the good old
    fashioned system then it is in focus, using anything else will not make it
    more in focus just slower to do the same thing and is therefore less useable
    except for a very few circumstances.
     
    Pete D, Jul 12, 2007
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  13. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Like most long-range wildlife and other telephoto shots.
     
    RichA, Jul 12, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    And short range and medium range, I guess your expereince with the Olys must
    cloud you somewhat, normal FF and many 1.5 crop cameras focus just fine,
    obviously the Olys are pretty crappy focusing under even slightly less than
    perfect conditions. My experience is that most non Oly cameras cope just
    fine.

    Cheers.

    Pete
     
    Pete D, Jul 12, 2007
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  15. STFU
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Jul 12, 2007
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    Tom Ross Guest

    [crap snipped]

    Rich, you need to build a new Tin Foil Beanie ... the one you're using
    is busted. And remember, keep the shiny side pointing out.


    TR
     
    Tom Ross, Jul 12, 2007
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    John Bean Guest

    You have a point Pete, with the exception of the E-1. The
    E-1's viewfinder is still small compared with Pentax because
    of the smaller sensor but it's every bit as "good", unlike
    the more recent bodies Olympus have produced. The finders
    are so small and dark I guess "eclipse" is a reasonable term
    to describe them :-(
     
    John Bean, Jul 12, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Yers, significancly sad that, What is it, 4 years and they have been going
    backwards all this time with their viewfinders and come up wit a brilliant
    system that is not usable most of the time. Great engineering, just great.
     
    Pete D, Jul 12, 2007
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    Charlie Self Guest

    I would guess that one of my macro set ups would beat your articulated
    deal, but add that to the fact that I cannot work with a dealy: a few
    of my subjects are static, but most are moving, some at a pretty fair
    clip, which makes any kind of lag and abomination.
     
    Charlie Self, Jul 12, 2007
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  20. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Say the same thing on the Olympus DP group you coward.
     
    RichA, Jul 12, 2007
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