Osprey returning to nest with dinner

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    me Guest

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    Alan Browne Guest

    Alan Browne, Aug 5, 2012
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    Neil Ellwood Guest

    Neil Ellwood, Aug 6, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Nice capture. The first is a strong image. Shame the speakers get in the
    way. They make the shot ineligible as a PSA nature shot. Cloning them
    out would make the first a lot stronger, but if you decide to play,
    don't enter the image in a PSA competition.
     
    PeterN, Aug 7, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 8/5/2012 11:22 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    : > On 2012-08-05 10:21 , me wrote:
    : >> http://edwardgruf.com/_DSC4947_1024.jpg
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    : >> http://edwardgruf.com/_DSC4950_1024.jpg
    : >
    : > Nice, esp. the first one (other than the cropped wing tip).
    : >
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    : Nice capture. The first is a strong image. Shame the speakers get in the
    : way. They make the shot ineligible as a PSA nature shot. Cloning them
    : out would make the first a lot stronger, but if you decide to play,
    : don't enter the image in a PSA competition.

    I don't understand that. I'm guessing that nobody told the ospreys to build
    their nest there. So why is it less natural than if it were in a tree or on a
    rock outcropping? It's probably a pretty good location: good visibility and
    easy to defend from all but airborne predators.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Aug 7, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    I don't agree with that rule either. PSA is in transition, as are camera
    clubs. IIRC Tony Cooper's camera club only permits extensive editing in
    their creative category. My CC permits any amount of editing.
     
    PeterN, Aug 7, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    If the PSA rules are in transition, no slack in the area of
    manipulation is apparent: "In the interest of credibility,
    photographs that misrepresent the truth, such as manipulation to alter
    the subject matter, or situations which are set up for the purpose of
    photography, are unacceptable in Photojournalism competition. No
    elements may be moved, cloned, added, deleted, rearranged or combined.
    No manipulation or modification is permitted except resizing,
    sharpening, cropping, selective lightening or darkening, and
    restoration or original color of the scene. No special effect filters
    can be applied. Any adjustments must appear natural."

    The top image - http://edwardgruf.com/_DSC4947_1024.jpg would be
    accepted in the Color (non-creative) category at my CC with the
    speaker on the left cropped out of the image and the speaker on the
    right cloned out. That wouldn't be considered to be a change that
    significantly alters the image. If that fish in osprey's claws was
    from another image, that would be a clear example of significant
    alteration.

    I can't see anyone submitting the other image for competition or
    bothering to do a lot of post on it. It's a good catch for the
    photographer, but it's not a competition-worthy image.
     
    tony cooper, Aug 7, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Do you mean something like this?
     
    Savageduck, Aug 7, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    So would cloning out the speakers.
    When i made my comment, I was referring to the Nature Division, which
    currently has rules similar to those in the PJ division.
    The rule revisions referred to are related to the extent of permissible
    adjustments for exposure compensation, sharpness and blurring. I have
    heard noting about reality changes.
     
    PeterN, Aug 7, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    In my younger days I would try to keep the chick up all night, if possible.
    Wait, Oh! you mean THAT kind of chick.
     
    PeterN, Aug 7, 2012
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  11. "Keep...up all night"; surely not!
     
    James Silverton, Aug 7, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    I don't think you read my comment with understanding. I said that a)
    PSA has not relaxed the rules on cloning, but, b) my camera club's
    competitions would accept a version with the left speaker cropped out
    (no requirement for a standard ratio) and a clone of the right speaker
    (as the Duck did).

    The club rules are pretty much on the honor system. If the submitter
    doesn't think he/she significantly altered, it would pass.
     
    tony cooper, Aug 7, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    ..

    Then I certainly misunderstood, or forgot your statement about your
    club. However, the PSA now has a creative category that allows only
    images with "altered reality."

    There recently was a sick situation in another club, where a member
    submitted work that was not his, in a national competition. He would
    have been ranked the top shooter on LI, but was stripped of all his
    winnings. I call it "sick" because the grand prize was about $250.


    agreed.
     
    PeterN, Aug 8, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Well it now takes me all night to do once, what I used to do all night.
    (Journalistic latitude taken.)
     
    PeterN, Aug 8, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Damn! Are these CC fuddy-duddies trying to take the fun out of PS?
    < http://db.tt/P4xMpAXa >
     
    Savageduck, Aug 8, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

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    Alan Browne Guest

    I didn't think they ate fish.
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 8, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Hell! They'll eat anything.
     
    Savageduck, Aug 8, 2012
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    Chemiker Guest

    One of the vernacular names for the osprey is the "fish hawk".

    A-
     
    Chemiker, Aug 8, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    You did look at the link?
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 8, 2012
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