OT(?): AVI video codecs - where to get best one to play all AVIs??

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by fitwell, Dec 7, 2003.

  1. fitwell

    fitwell Guest

    Newbie here; biggest problem I,and probably a hundred others, run into
    is that once you get one set of codecs to get an AVI to play, all the
    previous AVIs that used to run no longer do. Latest file I'm in
    process of dl is giving me one of those WMP 800 errors. I use WMPv6
    and don't want to upgrade to v7, 8 or 9 as I've managed to eventually
    get any AVI to play. Difference is that this time around I have great
    keeper AVIs and want to keep them all and need them _all_ to play.

    I have a dl avi from a few days ago that works just fine now but the
    codec to view it knocked out previous AVIs on my hdd last week. I've
    run into this before but don't want that to happen with latest AVI I'm
    in process of dl.

    Can anyone advise of where to get the best or most comprehensive
    codecs to dl that will allow me to view _all_ the AVIs I have, or is
    this too tall an order? Seems reasonable to me to want to be able to
    view any AVIs we have on our computers. It's very annoying that once
    you get one to play okay, all previous ones you have suddenly don't.

    Thanks.
     
    fitwell, Dec 7, 2003
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  2. fitwell

    Trev Guest

    Avi is just a bag to hold movies of different types in. So you need to
    know what it is you want before you can get it. Pop along to
    www.vcdhelp.com and have a look in the tools section for G spot . That
    will tell you what codec's you need for each movie and if you have them.
    Then you can use vcdhelp to find them
     
    Trev, Dec 7, 2003
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  3. That shouldn't happen. The AVI codec system is intended to select
    the correct codec for a clip, as long as it is found on the machine.
    Adding new codecs should not damage other codecs.

    What *may* be happening is that you are installing codec
    'collections', and some of the components are not really very good,
    but are effectively masking the good codecs already on the system.

    Trev has pointed you in the direction of GSpot - this is an
    excellent utility for finding out just what codec a given AVI needs.

    You don't say which codecs you are using, so it is a little hard
    to be more specific, but my experience suggests that a lot of the old
    codecs are not used any more, and most I see can be played by just 5
    different codecs.

    Regards,
    Harry.
     
    Harry Broomhall, Dec 7, 2003
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  4. fitwell

    fitwell Guest

    Oh, didn't know that.

    Was given GSpot info this morning, URLs etc., over there now.

    Thanks.
     
    fitwell, Dec 7, 2003
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  5. fitwell

    Shez Guest

    In the mythical land of uk.rec.video.digital, fitwell
    A good fairly general purpose codec (strictly speaking, a direct filter)
    is ffdshow http://ffdshow.sourceforge.net/ It's a single filter that can
    understand most flavours of MPEG4 (DivX 3-5, Xvid, MS-MPEG4 v1-3, WMV1)
    and a few other formats. I certainly find it works better than the
    genuine DivX and Xvid codecs, and it's a much smaller download than
    DivX.

    On the download page I would select the 2003-04-24 alpha version, as I
    found the newer May2003 version crashed with some recent codec versions.

    I would agree with the poster who says to avoid "codec packs", since
    these may supersede stuff that you didn't want meddling with, and may
    end up screwing up the DirectShow filter graph.

    As for WMV, I find it a real pain, each version seems incompatible with
    every other version, currently I can only get versions 1 & 3 to play for
    instance (i.e. WMV7 & 9 I think), but not v2 (WMV8?). Why can't the WMV9
    codec I downloaded play files made with the previous version? It's
    ridiculous -- AFAIK they're all MPEG4 variants. Where possible I simply
    avoid the WMV mess and go for Xvid or DivX.

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    Shez, Dec 8, 2003
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  6. fitwell

    fitwell Guest

    Thank you so much for the info! I greatly appreciate it. After many,
    many hours of dl it was great just now to finally be able to view the
    Stargate pilot that finally finished coming through today. I missed
    taping it when syndication began this past September! Way cool to
    have it now and not have to wait till new year when they start from
    the beginning again!

    GSpot works great and ffdshow allowed me to view this latest avi.
    I chose the 2003-04-24 exe as you suggested. Seemed to work just
    fine. And you're right, very small dl of just over 600kb.
    I've removed the one codec I'd installed in this latest OS
    installation and things stopped playing but ffdshow allowed me to view
    latest AVI, so that's okay.

    Does the nimo codec also apply re codec pack not to use? It keeps
    getting recommended. In your experience, does ffdshow pretty much
    cover most dl AVIs?
    I don't care for/use/dl WMV format video.

    I do use WMP6, though, to view video. I personally find I haven't
    needed anything more "sophisticated" than v6. As long as there are
    codecs to play, it does the job just fine.

    *******************
    AVI TO MPG????

    A question re this: my understanding is that I should convert to MPG
    for greater accessibility for other computers to play. This seemed
    confirmed in a response I had yesterday to another thread. But I've
    never had luck with MPG. They'll play on my machine but not on
    others.

    I've researched and read a lot of info on the subject but all that I
    come away with is a whirling mess of info. TMPGenc seems to be the
    converter of choice (?). I have tried that a couple of times last
    year but it's when I first started with video issues and knew even
    less than I know now (which isn't saying much as I _still_ don't know
    worth beans, really). I didn't have much luck with TMPGenc, though,
    at the time.

    Since I got such great help here, was hoping you or anyone could help
    re this. Is TMPGenc the way to go? I've used a few other apps but
    can't remember other than VirtualDub. It had too many compressors or
    whatever to choose from and when I finally managed to get a working
    result, as I mentioned above, the resulting MPG would work on my
    computer only.

    Thank you so much for the help so far and hope I can finally get the
    hang of what to do with the small handful of AVIs I have now. Should
    I really convert all the MPG? and is TMPGenc the best tool to use,
    esp. _for_a_newbie?

    Cheers!
     
    fitwell, Dec 9, 2003
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  7. fitwell

    fitwell Guest

    Thank you so much for the info! I greatly appreciate it. After many,
    many hours of dl it was great just now to finally be able to view the
    Stargate pilot that finally finished coming through today. I missed
    taping it when syndication began this past September! Way cool to
    have it now and not have to wait till new year when they start from
    the beginning again!

    GSpot works great and ffdshow allowed me to view this latest avi.
    I chose the 2003-04-24 exe as you suggested. Seemed to work just
    fine. And you're right, very small dl of just over 600kb.
    I've removed the one codec I'd installed in this latest OS
    installation and things stopped playing but ffdshow allowed me to view
    latest AVI, so that's okay.

    Does the nimo codec also apply re codec pack not to use? It keeps
    getting recommended. In your experience, does ffdshow pretty much
    cover most dl AVIs?
    I don't care for/use/dl WMV format video.

    I do use WMP6, though, to view video. I personally find I haven't
    needed anything more "sophisticated" than v6. As long as there are
    codecs to play, it does the job just fine.

    *******************
    AVI TO MPG????

    A question re this: my understanding is that I should convert to MPG
    for greater accessibility for other computers to play. This seemed
    confirmed in a response I had yesterday to another thread. But I've
    never had luck with MPG. They'll play on my machine but not on
    others.

    I've researched and read a lot of info on the subject but all that I
    come away with is a whirling mess of info. TMPGenc seems to be the
    converter of choice (?). I have tried that a couple of times last
    year but it's when I first started with video issues and knew even
    less than I know now (which isn't saying much as I _still_ don't know
    worth beans, really). I didn't have much luck with TMPGenc, though,
    at the time.

    Since I got such great help here, was hoping you or anyone could help
    re this. Is TMPGenc the way to go? I've used a few other apps but
    can't remember other than VirtualDub. It had too many compressors or
    whatever to choose from and when I finally managed to get a working
    result, as I mentioned above, the resulting MPG would work on my
    computer only.

    Thank you so much for the help so far and hope I can finally get the
    hang of what to do with the small handful of AVIs I have now. Should
    I really convert all the MPG? and is TMPGenc the best tool to use,
    esp. _for_a_newbie?

    Cheers!
     
    fitwell, Dec 9, 2003
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