OT Camera Raw 5.2 and Photoshop CS4, not CS3

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Celcius, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. Celcius

    Celcius Guest

    Hi everyone!

    Sorry to barge in on you with this one, but I went to the Adobe website and
    can't find the answer. I posed it in the Photoshop Adobe group and my
    questioned remained unanswered.

    The problem: I have a legitimate CS installed on my computer. I'm waiting
    for the delivery of the EOS 5D Mark II.
    I read that Camera RAW 5.2 will adress certain features re the Mark II and
    its lenses.
    However, 5.2 cannot be used with CS3, only CS4.
    Is there a way around or do I have to upgrade to CS4?
    Thanks for any helpful hint.

    Best regards,

    PS you may answer directly to me without bothering this group:
    celcius38 *at* hotmail.com
    Celcius, Dec 3, 2008
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  2. Celcius

    Celcius Guest

    Sorry, it should read "a legitimate CS3" installed.... see below
    Celcius, Dec 3, 2008
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  3. Celcius

    me Guest

    Use the DNG converter to convert to DNG, then open that in your ACR.
    me, Dec 3, 2008
  4. Celcius

    Celcius Guest

    Thanks for your prompt answer.
    I've got the most recent DNG converter downloaded and installed as well as
    the RAW converter for CS3 (version 4.6) installed. Note: Versions 5.1 and
    5.2 cannot be installed in previous versions of CS4.
    ***I'm sorry, but what is an ACR?***
    I dragged the DNG file into Phoshop CS3 and this opened the RAW window. OK.
    If this is the way, fine, but I still won't benefit of what RAW 5.2 would
    bring with regards to the 5D Mark II...
    Celcius, Dec 3, 2008
  5. Celcius

    Robert Coe Guest

    : >Hi everyone!
    : >
    : >Sorry to barge in on you with this one, but I went to the Adobe website and
    : >can't find the answer. I posed it in the Photoshop Adobe group and my
    : >questioned remained unanswered.
    : >
    : >The problem: I have a legitimate CS installed on my computer. I'm waiting
    : >for the delivery of the EOS 5D Mark II.
    : >I read that Camera RAW 5.2 will adress certain features re the Mark II and
    : >its lenses.
    : >However, 5.2 cannot be used with CS3, only CS4.
    : >Is there a way around or do I have to upgrade to CS4?
    : >Thanks for any helpful hint.
    : Use the DNG converter to convert to DNG, then open that in your ACR.

    I haven't used Camera RAW, but I infer that it's a generic RAW converter that
    sits ahead of Photoshop in your workflow. If so, why not see if you can use
    Digital Photo Professional (Canon's RAW converter) instead. The latest two or
    three versions of DPP do have some lens corrections included, and in November
    they came out with a new version specifically aimed at the 5D2.

    If you haven't used DPP, you may be surprised at its capability. It has the
    usual brightness, contrast, WB, and curve adjustments and a user-friendly
    cropping tool. (It also has a rather lame and clumsy blemish removal tool, but
    as a PS user you'll ignore that anyway.) I believe it converts only to TIFF
    and JPEG, but PS should be fine with those, I'd think.

    Robert Coe, Dec 3, 2008
  6. There are at least two solutions: the free Adobe DNG converter. Works
    now with MII images. Batch drop the RAW files onto it, then take the
    DNGs into CS3. This is a standalone app. and has nothing to do with a

    Another: once you get the camera in hand, install a 30 day trial of
    Lightroom. It pretty well smokes for RAW processing, although it's
    pretty much in development in a couple of regards. You may like it
    enough to spring for the ca. $300 tag.
    John McWilliams, Dec 3, 2008
  7. Celcius

    Celcius Guest

    Thank you Robert!
    I do have DPP 3.5.1 which I think is the most recent. I'll check. I haven't
    used it because I don't know how and because I don't use it, I haven't
    learned ;-)
    The problem I had using it is that if in Adobe RAW, it's easy to open the
    photo in Photoshop. Not so for DPP ehere I have to save it at least in Tiff
    before opening it up in Photoshop.
    Celcius, Dec 3, 2008
  8. Celcius

    Guest Guest

    think of it as an import plugin for photoshop, not a separate converter.
    Guest, Dec 3, 2008
  9. Celcius

    Guest Guest

    adobe said 'early december.' also, lightroom was about $150 this past
    weekend at amazon.
    Guest, Dec 3, 2008
  10. Celcius

    Celcius Guest

    Thanks for the response.
    I tried your first solution, set the DNG's to open in Photoshop. When I
    double-click on the DNG, it opens up in camera RAW, Photoshop CS3. It's
    great. I can massage it to my little heart content and open it in Photoshop
    if need be. The PROBLEM with this is that only Camera RAW 5.2 will allow
    certain things pertaining to that particular camera and particular lens (see
    below ***). My present RAW converter won't.
    Excerpt from http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10107499-39.html :

    "The camera profiles, which I strongly recommend people employ, ***let you
    change image tones and colors to better match camera settings such as
    neutral, portrait, and landscape***. They'd been released on the Adobe Labs
    site, but now are officially built into the Adobe Camera Raw 5.2 software
    and an accompanying utility, DNG Converter for changing cameras' proprietary
    raw files into Adobe's Digital Negative format. "
    Celcius, Dec 3, 2008
  11. Celcius

    Celcius Guest

    CORRECTION... I played a bit with DPP and found out I could transfer the
    image to Photoshop (alt + P). With my Canon 30D, images are 16bit, so I have
    to make them 8 bit before veinf able to save in JPEG.
    Celcius, Dec 3, 2008
  12. Celcius

    me Guest

    On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:29:25 -0500, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems

    Did you even READ this?
    Reread the last sentence. Besides ACR 5.2 the profiles are built into
    what other utility?
    me, Dec 3, 2008
  13. Celcius

    Paul Furman Guest

    Yep, that's how they force you to upgrade.

    Paul Furman

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    Paul Furman, Dec 3, 2008
  14. Celcius

    Celcius Guest


    I EVEN read it. ;-)
    The last sentence says: "Adobe Camera Raw 5.2 software and an accompanying
    utility, DNG Converter "
    Please bear with be a bit longer. Unless I'm thick inside the skull, the
    **accompanying DNG converter** can't be used with Photoshop CS4, same as the
    RAW converter.
    Suppose I can use the DNG converter, I still can't access the 5.1 Camera RAW
    and what it offers... or am I missing something?
    Celcius, Dec 3, 2008
  15. Celcius

    Ray Fischer Guest

    If you're spending $3000 for a camera one would think that $200 for a
    software upgrade might be managed.
    Ray Fischer, Dec 3, 2008
  16. Celcius

    tconway Guest

    As long as you have the latest DNG converter you should be ok to use CS3 and
    a previous camera raw converter.
    This website may clarify a little:
    tconway, Dec 3, 2008
  17. Celcius

    Jurgen Guest

    Not true Marcel.
    DPP has a feature to open in Photoshop. If you have 2 versions of PS it
    will open it in the default version. From the problems I've had with CS4
    and my video card - which my $2400 monitor needs to get it's calibration
    right, I'd say stay away from CS4 at all costs.

    The workflow for Canon stuff should be:
    Develop in DPP. What you can't save without further processing, transfer
    via DPP's facility to PS and do the work before saving.

    You can configure DPP to save as an 8 bit, near lossless JPEG without
    artefacts or transfer the image to Photoshop as a 16 bit TIFF for editing.

    This is every bit as good as using Adobe Camera RAW (ACR) to develop the
    images. ACR is a separate program that develops RAW files for loading
    into Photoshop. Just like DPP is a separate program for developing RAW
    files to be loaded into Photoshop.

    Adobe is not the saviour of the photographic world, just a company which
    happens to make a few good products and blackmail their clients into
    upgrades they neither need nor (in most cases) want as they reap the
    rewards of having one of the best photo editing programs around.

    I could easily live without Photoshop and if they keep changing the
    program around so my hardware no longer functions with it, that is
    exactly what I will do.

    Load DPP on your system and spend a day or so using it. I'm sure like
    most Pro Canon users, you'll discover more image quality in developed
    RAW files and retain your CS, CS2 and CS3 compatibility as well.
    Jurgen, Dec 3, 2008
  18. Celcius

    Guest Guest

    converting to tiff and especially jpeg is not 'every bit as good' as
    directly within photoshop.
    no, camera raw is very tightly integrated into photoshop (much more so
    than a typical plugin). you can even do a non-destructive raw
    conversion into a photoshop document and alter the conversion at a
    later time without affecting any other work done in photoshop. that's
    something you can't do with dpp or nx or any other third party raw
    as mentioned above, camera raw is part of photoshop. it's also part of
    the standalone dng converter.
    that's absurd. they do not blackmail anyone. if you don't want the
    upgrade, don't buy it. nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade. there are
    a number of alternatives, several of which are completely free.
    it's called progress. the alternative would be to not implement
    features that take advantage of the capabilities of newer hardware.
    Guest, Dec 3, 2008
  19. Celcius

    Beefhooked Guest


    Adobe Camera Raw

    Beefhooked, Dec 3, 2008
  20. My bet is that an updated LR will be in his hands before the Canon,
    besides which the DNG converter works with LR as well.
    John McWilliams, Dec 3, 2008
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