OT: How cold is Barrow?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Dudley Hanks, Feb 19, 2014.

  1. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    I've been tracking the temp at Barrow, and it has been hovering
    around -27C to -35C.

    While a steady diet of that degree of cold is kinda depressing,
    the folks in my neck of the woods are definitely not strangers to
    that temperature range.

    Still waiting to see temps in Barrow that make my back yard seem
    like a plot of tropical rain forest...
    Caio ...
     
    Dudley Hanks, Feb 19, 2014
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  2. The current temperature in Edmonton is being reported as 0 C
    (+32F), or right at freezing.

    Barrow's temperature has been -36C (-33F) for most of the time
    over the last few hours. A 62F difference is typical and isn't
    small...

    And yes you do seem to live in a place that is significantly
    warmer almost all of the time.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 19, 2014
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  3. But, as usual, you're avoiding the point.

    In the normal course of a year, we get temps as cold as your
    coldest ... :)

    Enjoy,
    Dudley
     
    Blind Apertures, Feb 20, 2014
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  4. Dudley it isn't me that avoids the point!
    Barrow never ever gets anywhere near as warm as Edmonton.

    And it is only in the normal course of a century that you get
    a temperature as cold as Barrow's coldest. The last time you
    got that cold was 1972! (Barrow was that cold 4 or 5 years ago.)

    Getting cold once or twice in a century doesn't make Edmonton
    as cold as a place like Barrow. The average difference in
    temperatures show very clearly that Edmonton is significantly
    warmer.

    It's just absurd to claim that a place on the *southern* edge
    of the Boreal Forest is warmer than a place far north of the
    tree line, where it is just too cold for trees to even exist.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 20, 2014
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  5. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    2009 was the last time we got that cold. Remember the blog
    post I reposted? Just check back and you'll find it. Or,
    should I repost it again to help you remember... :)


    Your memory going? Floyd?

    Face it Floyd, the nearer we get to the heart of winter, the
    closer our temps become...

    You just get there first and stay there longer...
     
    Dudley Hanks, Feb 20, 2014
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  6. Everywhere I looked it showed the record low temp in Edmonton
    as happening in 1972.

    It doesn't make a lot of difference, as you clearly can't seem
    to relate reality to your home town.
    That's the point, we stay there. For *months* rather than
    hours. It's not an occasional excursion.

    You don't seem to think it makes any difference, but it's also
    pretty clear than you've very been in the Arctic either. It's a
    world of difference.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 20, 2014
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  7. Dudley Hanks

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Exchanges of this sort are often called "dick waving". I certainly
    wouldn't be waving mine if there was a danger of frostbite, though.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 20, 2014
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  8. Dudley Hanks

    Robert Coe Guest

    : >I've been tracking the temp at Barrow, and it has been hovering
    : >around -27C to -35C.
    : >
    : >While a steady diet of that degree of cold is kinda depressing,
    : >the folks in my neck of the woods are definitely not strangers to
    : >that temperature range.
    : >
    : >Still waiting to see temps in Barrow that make my back yard seem
    : >like a plot of tropical rain forest...
    : >Caio ...
    :
    : The current temperature in Edmonton is being reported as 0 C
    : (+32F), or right at freezing.
    :
    : Barrow's temperature has been -36C (-33F) for most of the time
    : over the last few hours. A 62F difference is typical and isn't
    : small...
    :
    : And yes you do seem to live in a place that is significantly
    : warmer almost all of the time.

    Why don't we all just stipulate that both of you guys live in a climate that
    no sane person would tolerate in the winter, and then move on.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Feb 20, 2014
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  9. Ahhh, Tony, where's your sense of adventure ... :)


    But, that reminds me of when I was in San Francisco training
    with my first guide.

    Somehow, the topic ended up on living in hazardous places, and
    I mentioned I was glad Edmonton didn't have to deal with
    earthquakes. (This wasn't all that long after one of San Fran'
    s big quakes; the one where there was some video footage from
    a baseball game caught by the quake.)

    "Aww," said one of the trainers, "Quakes are nothing. You can
    live through a quake. But, those blizzards you guys get are
    what I'm afraid of..."

    Needless to say, I chuckled a bit and cheerfully told him that
    all you have to do to survive a blizzard is stay indoors. You
    don't normally have to worry about the building falling down
    around you...

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Blind Apertures, Feb 20, 2014
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  10. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest


    Works for me, Bob. But, I'm learning a lot from Floyd.


    All I have to do is say it gets just as cold here in Edmonton,
    and he spouts off a ton of interesting tidbits I hadn't heard
    before.

    And, since we both have the same record low, I can keep on
    doing it till I know everything about Alaska that Floyd knows.
    It's better than Wikipedia by a long shot... :)


    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Feb 20, 2014
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  11. Because most folks are more interested in reality than
    your illiterate biases.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 20, 2014
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  12. That's why we now have a separate thread just for
    this... started by Dudley Hanks.
    That isn't all that you've been saying though, and if it was it
    certainly wouldn't get a peek out of me.
    Yes indeed, you are more similar to a Wiki article! Lots of
    imagination, not so much attention to reality...

    Why don't you just admit you simply live in Edmonton, which is a
    nice place that is what it is. It ain't the Arctic any more
    than it is the Sahara Desert. If you can't accept what it is,
    perhaps you should move to where you want it to be!
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 20, 2014
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  13. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest


    Floyd, you just don't know how to deal with absolutes...


    If the lowest temp you've had in Barrow in the last 5 years is
    -20C, -40C or -60C, and the lowest temp we've had here in the
    last 5 years is the same, then we deal with the same temps...


    That statement doesn't say anything about overall harshness of
    the climate, nor of the suitability for any type of plant, it
    simply refers to the lowest temp you've dealt with in the last
    5 years.

    We can extend that time frame to whatever we want, it still
    has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with the
    coldest temperature you've had to deal with.

    Now, when we frame the discussion to deal with batteries, it's
    pretty simple to understand that the statement was meant to
    say that a battery operating here in Edmonton has to operate
    in the same temps as does a battery in Barrow. If it can't,
    then it won't last -- in either place.

    Makes sense to me, I'm not sure why that's so tough for you to
    swallow.

    Having trouble with mood swings lately?

    Maybe you should invest in one of those UV happy lamps.


    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Feb 20, 2014
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  14. Dudley Hanks

    Ringo Guest


    Come on. This isn't rocket science.
     
    Ringo, Feb 20, 2014
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  15. Projection of your problems on others won't help you a bit.

    Here is a graph of absolutes... the data is from
    weatheronline.co.uk, and I've combined charts for Edmonton and
    Barrow showing the low temperatures recorded in 2013.

    It definitely drives home the point I've been making all along.
    The concern for battery cold temperatures is significantly
    different in Barrow than in Edmonton. During that entire year
    there was no significant time when Edmonton even began to be as
    cold as Barrow.

    On only a few occasions does the extreme extent of cold in
    Edmonton even reach the typical Barrow lows for the warmest
    days! And there is never a time when Edmonton's typical low
    temperatures are colder than Barrow's typical lows.

    These are not average temperatures and are not elusive records
    either, they are the absolute values for an entire year. Yet
    the differences on a monthly basis did indeed, for 2013, very
    closely follow the averages posted earlier!
    The same *record* temps. That doesn't make one place "as cold as"
    another in the sense of planning ahead on battery
    characteristics. You are claiming that a one time event in five
    years is the characteristic on which to base battery decisions.

    That's poor planning.
    Your statement doesn't say anything about the coldness of a
    place that will be significant to either traveling or resident
    photographers.
    No matter how you want to frame it, record temperatures are not
    significant.

    It's a fact, Barrow is bound to be colder than Edmonton. It's
    no big deal, but it's not deniable either.
    What a crock. When will you get it through your head that the
    extreme temperatures, experienced once or twice in 100 years, do
    *NOT* affect batteries. What affects a battery is the actual
    temperature today, and obviously it's a lot colder in Barrow on
    any given day in February than it is in Edmonton, and that
    includes this day. It's still -37C (-35F) here now, and has
    been at that temperature for 5 hours, and lower than -30C for
    more than 24 hours. How often does that ever happen in Edmonton,
    and when is the next time it will even be colder than -30C in
    Edmonton? Next January? :)
    It's nonsense.
    More gratuitous insults... which clearly show that you *know*
    you cannot beat facts and must stoop as low as possible.

    Incidentally, Barrow is getting about 8 hours a day of direct
    sunlight, and given that the skies are currently cloudless here,
    that's more than you'll see of the sun in warm cloudy Edmonton.

    Maybe you are the one who needs a "happy" lamp! Odd, isn't it,
    how attempts a gratuitous insults commonly show the ignorance
    of the person making them...
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 20, 2014
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  16. Sorry, here's the URL for the graph:

    http://apaflo.com/misc/ed_ba_mins_2013.jpg
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 20, 2014
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  17. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest


    Didn't find anything to indicate that you get any absolute
    colder temps than we face.

    Like I said, you get there faster, stay there longer, but,
    from the point of view of battery operating limits, the
    working range is the same.

    But, hey, keep the trivia coming.

    BTW, nice site.

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Feb 20, 2014
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  18. Floyd, you misinterpret my concern for your mental health as
    an insult ... :(

    More than a little paranoid?

    Were any of your friends busted a few years back when gov
    troops foiled that little plot to take over the State?


    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Blind Apertures, Feb 20, 2014
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  19. Get someone to read the data for you. The whole chart shows
    that you are absolutely wrong about absolute temperatures,
    which is *exactly* what the chart shows.
    Get someone to tell you what the chart shows.

    The fact is, Barrow gets there and Edmonton does not.

    Just like right now! In the past few hours Edmonton has gotten
    15C degress colder while Barrow has warmed up by 4 degrees. Yet
    Barrow is still 17C degrees colder than Edmonton! It's -32C in
    Barrow and a toasty -15C in Edmonton. Which is closer than the
    average 20C difference.
    You consider all facts as trivia and your imagination as accurate.
    But as someone else said, this ain't exactly rocket science Dudley.
    An average fool can see the difference your ego can't get past.
    Thank you. Glad you looked farther than just the one graphic.
    Did anything about Barrow, or any part of Barrow, look anything
    close to Edmonton? Except of course when inside a heated
    building... :)
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 20, 2014
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  20. Dudley Hanks

    Nab Guest

    Hey guys, your both right.

    Edmonton and Barrow have the same extreme record colds.

    Barrow is *MUCH* colder on average.

    nab
     
    Nab, Feb 20, 2014
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