OT: iOS7 Sucks

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Dudley Hanks, Sep 23, 2013.

  1. Dudley Hanks

    PeterN Guest

    So the absence of helpful information warrants making incorrect claims
    about his actions, Peter?

    When was the last time you made a post with helpful information? Am I to
    take it that for every post that you make that lacks helpful information
    I am free to make up things about you as well?

    You are free to do as you want.
    PeterN, Sep 24, 2013
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  2. Dudley Hanks

    Savageduck Guest

    My road set up is: 250GB Colorspace UDMA, MacBook Pro laptop + CS6, and
    a pocket 1TB Firewire hard drive. That gives me a triple redundant
    backup on the road.
    The UDMA is the first, and minimal step in that backup. One that I can
    take while away from any base hotel or car.
    Savageduck, Sep 24, 2013
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  3. Dudley Hanks

    Tony Cooper Guest

    What? What "loop"? I'm a user. Where did I miss getting in the
    When you present one, I'll try to judge it fairly. I don't consider
    your opinion that "most" users are satisfied to be anything close to a
    Is this more of your "facts"?

    It's this kind of statement that convinces me that you have ****-all
    understanding of the subject.

    When I extended my AT&T contract, I received a text from AT&T thanking
    me and asking if I would recommend AT&T to other people. I didn't

    Let's say that 100 of those texts went out from AT&T, five people
    responded "No" and two people responded "Yes". Can you draw a
    conclusion about customer satisfaction from that? Ninety-three people
    didn't express any opinion at all, and that's probably par for the
    course in a "survey" like this. The overwhelming majority, who may be
    strongly satisfied or strongly dissatisfied, didn't feel there was any
    need to exert themselves to reply at all or didn't feel they would be
    paid attention to anyway.

    Until you get some response from a legitimate survey about customer
    satisfaction, with a number of responses from a statistically
    significant sample population, you have nothing to go by.

    In the case of iOS7, there's no vehicle established yet by which to
    gauge customer satisfaction. If there are dissatisfied users (and I'm
    not saying there are a significant number of them), there's no
    established route for them to provide their opinion. There are
    several ways for them to do it - from posting negative comments in a
    newsgroup to shouting from the rooftops - but the responses are not
    collated in any way.
    So you are making a flat, factual claim that you have knowledge that
    this is true? No providers had stock on Monday morning that had
    arrived prior to the weekend?
    I went to two AT&T stores Saturday. There was a line of about 12
    people (some may have been couples) and a 20 minute estimated wait to
    see a salesperson. Instead, I went to another AT&T store where I was
    third in line and was seen in about five minutes. I was there to
    order a 4s, not the 5c, but I have no idea how many of the others were
    there for.
    Funny how the analysts talk out of their ass when it's talk you
    disagree with, but a "fact" when you do agree.
    Tony Cooper, Sep 24, 2013
  4. Dudley Hanks

    Tony Cooper Guest

    There's that Swedish dictionary that has a different definition of a
    word than I'm used to. I wonder if, in a Swedish police line-up, if a
    person says he is certain that #5 is the person who robbed him that
    the understanding is that this means a "strong belief".
    No, they don't require proof. That's why they are so insidious.

    Tony Cooper, Sep 24, 2013
  5. Dudley Hanks

    Alan Browne Guest

    That's why I said "troll-like". I know Dudley from years here and he is
    not a troll. But his comments are way off the mark and only excusable
    because we know he's got extremely poor eyesight.
    nospam is just opinionated and inflexible. He's occasionally right too.
    Dudley's post (way off topic to boot) could only be considered a
    broadbrush attack on something that is very well done (with warts).
    With his poor eyesight the warts might get in his way.
    Again "troll-like" Off-topic and broadbrush. More "RichA-like" than a
    dead on troll post.
    Hmm. iPad. Then iPhone. We'll get you to the Mac yet. ;-)

    "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    Alan Browne, Sep 24, 2013
  6. Dudley Hanks

    Guest Guest

    you're not the only user out there.

    developers hear from their users on a continual basis.

    apple store employees also hear from users, and that's the source for a
    lot of feedback of all kinds.

    there are other ways too.

    you're out of the loop. you're a new ios user. you're not an ios
    developer or mac or even windows developer. there's not really a reason
    why you would be in the loop.

    nothing wrong with that. not everyone is immersed into the ecosystem,
    but those who are have a much better idea about what's going on than
    those who aren't.
    it's not just my opinion. open your eyes and look around.

    feel free to prove it wrong.
    nothing remotely like what i'm talking about.
    feel free to do such a survey and prove me wrong. good luck, because
    i'm not wrong.
    what vehicle does there need to be??

    must they use it for 3 months so they really know every nuance or wait
    for bugs to be fixed?

    that might help for some of the less obvious features, some of which
    will become obvious with new apps, but it's not going to change a hater
    into a lover or a lover into a hater.

    it might change the minds those on the fence, but that could go either
    way, so it's a wash.
    they are in other venues.
    i am calling bullshit to one of the most ludicrous and idiotic
    statements i've heard in a long, long time.

    it's bogus on its face. any idiot can tell he's talking out his ass.

    the only reason he said only 5 million were sold was because he
    predicted 5 million would be sold.

    instead of admitting his prediction was completely wrong (as were just
    about everyone's predictions), he comes up with the most ridiculous
    explanation, in the hopes people actually believe it.

    it's one of a long string of stupid claims from gene munster.

    he said the new iphone would come out in june. it didn't. he said the
    5c would not include siri and it does. he said the 5c would replace the
    4s and it doesn't. he keeps claiming an apple tv is coming out and has
    been wrong on that every time he's said that too.

    backorders for the 5s now say 'october', which likely means mid to late
    october, otherwise it would say '7-10 days', which is the beginning of

    now, why would 4 million phones be sitting unsold in carrier warehouses
    all weekend, when apple has had a one month backorder on new sales from
    shortly after they went on sale (as in hours, if that long)?

    why not just ask for them back to fulfill those orders, if they're just
    sitting there, unsold?

    furthermore, apple did *not* say 'shipments', which is how companies
    normally hide that. they said 'sales', which means end user sales.

    do you have *any* proof that this ridiculous claim is even remotely
    true? or is it you just want to argue about anything i say?
    just about everyone in line wanted the 5s.

    there was little point in waiting in line for a 5c because it could be
    preordered on line.
    funny how you believe anything, no matter how ludicrous.
    Guest, Sep 24, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    What was the lie?

    I have looked and have not been able to identify anything which could
    be described as 'a lie' before you started calling him a troll.
    Eric Stevens, Sep 25, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    OK, we're back to what I objected to in the first place. It's not
    ordinary users that are in this "loop", it's insiders. So the
    insiders are pleased with the system. But, the ordinary users, those
    millions of people who just use the system but aren't in the insider
    loop you describe, haven't been heard from. Yet, you claim "most" of
    them are happy as a pig in shit.

    Why didn't you claim that "most insiders are pleased with the system"?
    That could explain Dudley's frustration. He's not an insider who's
    immersed in the system so he's having some problems.
    How would that help? Do you think I'm hanging out with the insiders,
    the in-the-loop people?
    I told you. A legitimate survey of ordinary users that includes a
    statistically sound sample size that can be projected.
    There's that grade school "hater" thing. If a person finds a system
    to be less than satisfactory to them, they're not a "hater".
    Not true. The two AT&T stores that I personally visited required a
    person to stand in line regardless of what they were in the store to
    buy. If they wanted an Android phone, a 4s, or a new battery for an
    old phone, it was first-come, first-served.

    I told the person at the first store who was directing people into a
    line that I didn't want an iPhone5 and she said "Get in line".
    Yeah, but I do challenge what you say sometimes.
    Tony Cooper, Sep 25, 2013
  9. Dudley Hanks

    Eric Stevens Guest

    By Sandmans usual definition (which I don't agree with) that makes
    nospam a liar.
    Eric Stevens, Sep 25, 2013
  10. Dudley Hanks

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Please quote the explicit claim by nospam that requires substantiation,
    please. It isn't in the quoted material above.[/QUOTE]

    How about the claim "there are zillions of camera apps. certainly one
    (or more) of those has the features you want" which nospam has several
    times made in one form or another. As far as I am aware, nospam has
    not once cited a relevant app, let alone one which "has the features
    you want".
    Eric Stevens, Sep 25, 2013
  11. Dudley Hanks

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Clearly you do not. An implication does not, I repeat: does NOT require

    I.e. if I say that you'd have to be stupid not to understand the meaning
    of the word "implication", then I am *implying* that you are stupid, yet
    I have not *claimed* that you are stupid, hence - I need not provide
    proof of your stupidity.[/QUOTE]

    Your example is conditional, which allows you to wiggle out the way
    you have. i.e. you have left open the possibility that Peter does know
    the meaning of the word implication (which I am sure he does) and
    therefore is not stupid.

    On the other hand, nospam has been quite specific on a number of
    Eric Stevens, Sep 25, 2013
  12. Dudley Hanks

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Well, that's not the problem on this occasion. It's the words you
    haven't used which concern PeterN.
    Eric Stevens, Sep 25, 2013
  13. Dudley Hanks

    Eric Stevens Guest

    So the absence of helpful information warrants making incorrect claims
    about his actions, Peter?[/QUOTE]

    It seems to justify you (in your own eyes) making incorrect claims
    about PeterN's actions. Are you able to cite a specific example?
    No need to bother: you are free to make up things about people at any
    Eric Stevens, Sep 25, 2013
  14. Dudley Hanks

    Guest Guest

    because it's not insiders at all.

    anyone, even you, can relay your thoughts to developers, apple staff
    and various other people.
    he could also just ask how to do something, rather than go on a rant
    about how ios 7 sucks, how apple sucks, how nobody understands the way
    blind people use apps unless they are also blind so they're not in a
    position to even offer help, blah blah.

    he just likes to bitch.
    oh, i'm quite sure you aren't.
    feel free to do one.

    you'll get the same results as what i'm saying.

    there are over 200 million ios 7 users (as of a couple of days ago,
    it's more now). just how big of a sample do you need? (hint, it's not
    that many to get a statistically valid sample).
    nitpicking again.

    i used those words to differentiate between those whose minds are made
    up and nothing is going to change their minds, versus those who are on
    the fence and might change their mind after using it for a while.
    that might be true for an at&t store, but it's not true for an apple
    store and it doesn't change what i said anyway.

    again, you're arguing over irrelevant details.

    those in line who weren't buying an iphone just made the wait longer
    for those who did. they still sold all of the iphones that they had.

    apple stores have a separate line to process phone sales. customers
    wanting something else can still shop without dealing with the line.
    that's fine.

    however, arguing for the sake of arguing is not.
    Guest, Sep 25, 2013
  15. Dudley Hanks

    Guest Guest

    as i said, i'm not going to search for apps that fits someone else's

    if he wants a certain feature, he can search for apps that offer that
    feature on his own time.

    his claim was that apple forbids the feature he wants, and that they
    decide for users what features users are allowed to have.

    that's absolute rubbish.

    some features are niche feature, so not too many developers bother.

    apple creates a set of apps that do common tasks, leaving the not so
    common tasks up to developers (and whatever else developers come up

    that's why i said to look in the app store.

    or, as i described, the built in camera app does what he wants, just
    not with a numerical input.
    Guest, Sep 25, 2013
  16. Dudley Hanks

    Guest Guest

    you didn't look very hard since i explained it in my reply to him as
    well as in a couple of other posts.

    here it is again:

    he said newstap unexpectedly brings him back to the home screen.

    i said that's because it crashed and that it's not ios 7 compatible
    yet. not all apps are. some might never be. it's up to the developer of
    the app to update it.

    he then said he installed newstap upgrade, so it's apple's fault that
    it still crashes.

    *that* is a lie. there is no ios 7 update for newstap. it does not

    the last update to newstap (both the full and lite versions) was in
    december, 2012. that's *nine* months ago, long before ios 7 was
    released or even announced.

    he then went on about that the reason for all these problems (which
    were just two apps, hardly serious) was because apple didn't properly
    plan for ios 7 and should have informed developers about the changes.
    in other words, it's all apple's fault, even though they didn't write
    the app in question.

    except, apple *did* inform developers.

    last june, apple announced ios 7 at their week-long developer
    conference, with numerous sessions about the new features and how to
    use them. apple released a developer seed that day and many more
    developer builds every couple of weeks until ios 7's release a week
    ago. apple also provided extensive sample code and documentation about
    all the new features.

    what else could they have done?? nothing.

    it's entirely up to developers to test their apps and fix them if
    needed. apple can't force developers to fix things.

    many apps have been updated already (i had over 50 updates just today
    alone and over 100 last week), but not all apps have been updated yet.
    there are ~1 million apps, and they aren't going to all be updated at
    once. that's not even possible.

    here's the post:
    Guest, Sep 25, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    What you've just described are insiders..iOS developers, mac
    developers, windows developers. What do you think an "insider" is?

    And what, exactly, do you think you're doing in this and just about
    every post you appear in here? Bitching about "haters", for example.

    Unlike you, I don't feel that unqualified people provide qualified
    survey results.
    Bitching again.
    Of course it changes it. I said I went to two AT&T stores and there
    was a long line in one and a short line in the other. You said the
    just about everyone in line wanted a 5s. I informed you that anyone
    who wanted anything from a battery to a Android phone had to wait in
    You and your sandbox buddy like to discount what you don't want to
    hear as "irrelevant".
    What, exactly, do you think you're doing in every reply to me?
    Tony Cooper, Sep 25, 2013
  18. Dudley Hanks

    Guest Guest

    you didn't read what i wrote.

    why am i not surprised.
    again, you didn't read what i wrote. i'm not bitching about haters.
    feel free to do an official survey conducted by qualified people and
    show the 'real numbers'.

    the results are not going to be significantly different. it might
    differ by a few points one way or the other but it's not going to
    change the overall picture.

    you're arguing just to argue, as usual.
    not at all.
    it doesn't change a damned thing.
    only at at&t stores was that the case. it was not the case at apple
    stores, where the lines were significantly longer anyway, with more
    stock to be had.

    you mentioned what a moronic analyst who has a long history of being
    wrong said about apple only selling 5 million phones because the rest
    were not end user sales.

    i said that's bullshit (which it clearly is, as anyone with even the
    slightest brain activity can see) and that the carriers sold what they
    had. the carriers aren't sitting on a stash of phones with them in such
    high demand.

    plus, apple knows how many the carrier stores sold anyway, so they know
    the exact number that were sold.

    whether those buying iphones in those lines had to wait for someone to
    buy a battery or an android phone does not matter. it just means they
    had to wait a little longer until they got their turn.

    iphone 5s are now backordered around a month. some stores only received
    a handful of phones, selling out within a very short time.

    there is *no* evidence whatsoever that apple only sold 5 million
    phones, except from gene munster's ass, and as i said, he has a very
    long history of being very wrong.

    9 million is the correct number.

    at the apple earnings call next month, apple will no doubt mention the
    9 million in one weekend number. lying at an earnings call is a really,
    really bad idea. gene munster will no doubt ask about an apple tv, as
    he usually does. somehow, i don't think he's going to mention anything
    about carrier sales.
    sandbox buddy?

    anyway, if it's irrelevant, it's irrelevant. that's just how it is.
    clearing up when you twist and alter what i say.
    Guest, Sep 25, 2013
  19. Dudley Hanks

    Eric Stevens Guest

    That may well be either a lie or wrong. But that's not when you
    started calling him a troll. The very first reply to Dudley's initial
    post was yours. Your very first words were:

    "trolling again, i see."

    Nothing which occurred later can be used to justify you calling him a
    troll in this, your initial post.

    --- snip ---
    Eric Stevens, Sep 25, 2013
  20. Dudley Hanks

    Eric Stevens Guest

    So you don't actually know that "there are zillions of camera apps.
    certainly one (or more) of those has the features you want". Unless
    you can back it up, it remains only an educated guess which requires
    substantiation before it can be accepted as correct. That's the point
    which I am trying to make to Sandman.
    Eric Stevens, Sep 25, 2013
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