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Discussion in 'Photography' started by PeterN, Jun 26, 2012.

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    PeterN Guest

    PeterN, Jun 26, 2012
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    notbob Guest

    Probably cuz the Mac faithful have shown a unflinching willingness to
    pay. C'mon, Apple droids aren't too bright. ;)

    notbob, Jun 26, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    I learned a long time ago that there were differences in pricing
    policies and favoring of specific airlines and different routes among
    most of the travel discount web sites.

    This Apple user has always done comparison travel shopping beyond a
    single discount travel site. Orbitz has only won my business on a
    single occasion, and that was for flights from the West Coast to Hawaii.

    Orbitz favors routing through hubs even when direct flights on the same
    airline exist. This is true particularly for overseas travel, when you
    will be directed to domestic partners to connect with a another airline
    further East. I have found that if there were direct flights with
    Lufthansa, KLM, AirFrance, or BA to european destinations from LAX or
    SFO, Orbitz would not even offer the direct flight. The only flights
    offered would be SFO/LAX via Minneapolis, Detroit, Atlanta, or JFK to
    the European destinations. The aircraft/change and wait for connections
    added time and cost to the trip.
    Orbitz is not the first place I look for travel options.

    Now a days I have found Kayak.com < http://www.kayak.com/ > & Hipmunk <
    http://www.hipmunk.com/ > and in some cases dealing directly with a
    specific airline (KLM, Virgin, Virgin America, & Delta) has proven to
    to be far more economic and convenient for me. I like to exercise all
    my options and travel routes I choose, and interrupt those fights where
    I choose.
    Savageduck, Jun 26, 2012
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    Irwell Guest

    This is the site I use, then go to the airline
    to buy.
    Irwell, Jun 27, 2012
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    notbob Guest

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    Savageduck Guest

    AMTRAK is fine if you are not keeping a tight schedule, or if you are
    considering a trip to Africa, Australia, New Zealand, anywhere in
    Europe, South America, etc.

    AMTRAK is not the least expensive means of travel between many
    destinations, especially coast-to-coast.
    Paso Robles, CA to San Diego round trip, is not too bad ($192). Flying,
    I would have to drive to San Luis Obispo, pay for parking in SLO, deal
    with TSA, and do the same on return, best price in July for a round
    trip, $335. Train is the least stressful, both on hassle and cost. That
    said AMTRAK service on the West Coast has a reputation for not keeping
    to scheduled times, and delays which can result in transfer from train
    to bus to complete the trip.

    I imagine well travelled AMTRAK routes on the East Coast are also
    reasonable. As soon as you have any trip running more than 24 hours
    some of the AMTRAK costs are not economical.
    The one great advantage is avoiding TSA.
    Savageduck, Jun 27, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

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    notbob Guest

    Pretty much my point.
    ....and airlines do? You gotta be kidding me. LOL....

    notbob, Jun 27, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Well when the Coast Starlight is stuck between Lompoc and Santa Barbara
    because of locomotive mechanical issues and there is a 4 hour wait in
    the middle of nowhere, before busses are able to reach the train, and
    then depending on the individual trouble shooter, you might end up
    waiting for a several hours in Santa Barbara for a replacement train,
    or you will ride the bus all the way to Union Station in L.A. Note
    there is no club or comfortable seating car on the bus to help ease the

    There are also frequent equipment related delays on the climb up the
    Cuesta grade from San Luis Obispo to Paso Robles. Sometimes they will
    use buses to ferry passengers, sometimes they will replace a
    locomotive, all resulting in 2-4 hour delays on a 40 mile section.
    AMTRAK's big problem is their tight budget and aging equipment,
    particularly in the West.

    That said if you have the inclination and the time, train is the way to go.

    The only major delays I have experienced flying have been weather
    related. Those were 3 hours in Detroit & 6 hours at Schipol.
    Savageduck, Jun 27, 2012
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    notbob Guest

    Lucky you. I've been bumped so far off a plane, I ended up on a bus.
    N. Carolina, 1966. Plane was grounded cuz of weather, all passengers,
    'cept me, were taxied to another airport or hotel. Since I was
    military standby, I was essentially told to ef-off. Hadda catch a bus
    to Charleston. Didn't even get a refund.

    Last plane I was on was from SF to Denver. 1-1/2 hrs for $350!!
    Seating so cramped, I thought I'd been put back in the womb. I'm not
    afraid of flying, but you'll never get me on a plane ever again.

    I've taken the California Zephyr on the same leg half a dozen times in
    as many years. One trip had as much as an 8 hr delay. Who cares!?
    It was lazy, comfortable, and enlightening. Did I mention dirt cheap?
    One trip, the train was fulla Quakers. I don't know if it was cuz I
    was then sporting a Quaker-grade beard, but I yakked with several them
    and we got along famously and I learned much about them from some very
    friendly elders. One of my more memorable train trips. Another time
    was the dead of Summer. Lotta European travelers thinking Amtrak was
    like Euro trains, they getting the Amtrak railpass thingie. They were
    somewhat disappointed, but at least we got to talk, at length. Met
    folks from Germany, Norway, Belgium, etc, and talked fer hrs. Great

    The main problem with Amtrak was The Shrub. He did everything he
    could to almost destroy it. When he left office, the budget had been
    slashed to the bone. I don't know what O'bummer has done, but I'm
    sure, like everything else, it's not much. So sad. The train can be
    such a great experience. :(

    notbob, Jun 27, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    My wife flew to Rockford (IL) two weeks ago. The departure was
    delayed for 2.5 hours due to "mechanical failure". A different plane
    was brought in. The return flight left on time and arrived on time.

    Back in the old days, I sat on the runway at Denver for over three
    hours while the plane was de-iced, frozen again, de-iced again, and so
    on. Passengers were provided with free soft drinks and snacks. Those
    days are over.

    The worst part of the Denver delay was that there were an infant in
    the row ahead of me, and the parent's ran out of disposable diapers.
    Cloth napkins from First Class were provided. We were already away
    from the gate when the delay started and the plane was evidently not
    allowed to return to the gate. Passengers had to remain on the plane.

    Anyone who traveled frequently on business like I did has stories of
    delays and cancellations in air travel. On the plus side, I was able
    to arrive at an airport minutes before my scheduled departure, run to
    the gate, and get on the plane. My wife was instructed to get to the
    airport two hours before departure on her trip. (We actually got
    there about 45 minutes before scheduled departure)

    My wife and daughter took a train from St Petersburg (FL) to Orlando
    years ago. The train hit a car at a crossing, and the train was
    stopped for over four hours. It wasn't bad, though, because on a
    train they could walk around and go to the dining car.
    tony cooper, Jun 27, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I've been on well over a thousand airline flights, mostly in North
    America and Europe, but Asia, Africa and S.A. too - most are on time (
    no more than 15 minutes late ) and most that are late are no more than
    an hour or so late. Only a few are so late that you miss a connection.
    And even then, re-connects are usually pretty easy. Carry on luggage,
    when practical, is key to mental health, though on long trips I have to
    check in luggage.

    In all that I've had to hotel up only a handful of times. These days
    with packed flights, re-connects are harder, but I haven't missed a
    connection in the last 5 years. Only missed two in the 5 years before that.

    One case (late 90's) resulted in a rather nice detour to Heidelberg and
    an ancient hotel, fantastic meal and then a great evening in a small,
    crowded, way off the track pub. (The Frankfurt book fair was on and
    there were no hotel rooms at all. Lufthansa comped us bus, meals,
    drinks and hotel).

    When a train breaks down or the tracks are screwed up, shuffling
    everyone to a bus takes time, is less comfortable and then takes 2x as
    long -or more- to get to destination.

    At least a plane, once it's in the air, moves fast.

    Once, however, at San Diego planes could not get in due to visibility.
    So I couldn't get out. But this was a common problem there and buses
    arrived to take us to LAX. I enjoyed the bus ride more than the
    turboprop flight in that case... and made my connection.
    Alan Browne, Jun 27, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Uhm! Thanks for that info. Didn't know those rail lines were completed. ;-)
    PeterN, Jun 28, 2012
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    notbob Guest

    ....and how do they keep them afloat?
    notbob, Jun 28, 2012
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    Irwell Guest

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    notbob Guest

    Amtrak has a tunnel to Australia?

    Oz, maybe. Yo! ...Rugedo! ;)

    notbob, Jun 28, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    I guess I screwed up that syntax a bit.

    I would have made my intent a lot clearer if I had included an
    additional "not" between "are" & "considering".
    Savageduck, Jun 28, 2012
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