OT: The whole Apple can Run Windows thing...

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Matt Clara, Apr 10, 2006.

  1. Matt Clara

    Matt Clara Guest

    I don't get it. I already have a computer that runs windows, and all my
    software is for windows, so why would I want to buy a mac that can run
    windows too? It's not like the mac will run windows better than a pc, is
    it? All I can think is this is a feature for mac users, so they can have
    access to the much larger software base of the windows world.
    Matt Clara, Apr 10, 2006
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  2. Initial tests are showing that the Intel Macs are running Windows
    faster than regular PCs. The benefit is that the Macs run OS X and,
    therefore, are not subject to all of the weaknesses (and suckiness) of

    Those poor Dells and the rest can only do one thing. The new Macs can
    do both...and very well.

    Once you go Mac, you'll never go back.
    Randall Ainsworth, Apr 10, 2006
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  3. Matt Clara

    Paul Furman Guest

    There are some programs not offered for Mac like AutoCAD, so now mac
    lovers can have both.
    Paul Furman, Apr 10, 2006
  4. Matt Clara

    bmoag Guest

    The new Mactels have an improved Intel Dual core CPU that is filtering out
    to mainstream PC makers. The original dual core Intel was the Edsel of CPUs
    and has cost Intel massive sales volumes. Note that is not the uber dual
    core CPU that Intel may be releasing later this year to PC makers.
    The configuration available on Mac machines is middle of the road, by PC
    standards, and comes at the inflated Mac price with the, drumroll please, 90
    day Mac warranty.
    You have to be a Mac zealot, naive or downright stupid to buy one of these
    abominations. There is no available native productivity software and no
    major publisher, conspicuously Adobe, has firm plans to issue any. Hardware
    driver support is limited to what ships with the OS.
    Apple should be where Microsoft is now but has to go down in history as the
    most mismanaged company of all time and Steve Jobs as the dumbest business
    executive in history. And that Pepsi guy who came after him wasn't much
    bmoag, Apr 10, 2006
  5. Matt Clara

    Guest Guest

    as always, wrong. 1 year warranty for all products, new or
    again wrong. bruce chizen, adobe's ceo, has stated they will support
    intel based macs and microsoft has a five year commitment.
    again wrong.
    Guest, Apr 10, 2006
  6. Matt Clara

    J. Clarke Guest

    So let's see, Apple takes an Intel 945 chipset and an Intel Core Duo
    processor and solders them to a board and somehow they run faster than when
    someone else solders them to a board?

    I'd like to see those "initial tests". Core Duo is a laptop processor--it
    is not high performance by _anybody_'s standard, except maybe Apple's.
    Then why run Windows on them if OS/X is so perfect?
    What is that "only one thing"?
    DAMN. I just _cleaned_ that screen.

    All I'm seeing from you is spin and lies.
    J. Clarke, Apr 10, 2006
  7. Matt Clara

    -hh Guest

    Because there legitimately are *some* people that have *some*
    applications that aren't well supported under OS X.

    However, that vast majority of people, this is news mostly because of
    their "Fear of the Unknown".

    They know Windows, and even though it has its problems, they know its
    shortcomings and are reasonably comfortable enough with them to keep
    living with them, rather than to "RISK" the unknowns that come with a
    different OS.

    All in all, this is really a marketing Coup for Apple, as it removes
    one more (usually lame) excuse from someone not willing to risk try
    something other than MS-Dogfood.

    -hh, Apr 10, 2006
  8. Matt Clara

    Jon B Guest

    It will help some mac users who have to run a seperate PC for odd jobs,
    as one person says AutoCad, games, etc that won't run well under Virtual
    PC means you can boot the mac up as a PC do those things, then reboot
    back into the mac enviroment.

    Also for people interested in switching to mac, it means you don't have
    to run two machines together, and know that if need be you can fall back
    into the windows enviroment for work you haven't got mac apps for, or

    For people who are just 100% MS or 100% mac, it means absolutely bugger
    Jon B, Apr 10, 2006
  9. Matt Clara

    Matt Clara Guest

    I agree it's a marketing ploy, but not a coup. Time will tell, of course.
    Matt Clara, Apr 10, 2006
  10. Matt Clara

    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    I've no idea. Have you considered, you know, not buying one?

    The thing that's funny about Apple is that they somehow manage to get
    people who have no need for their products to ask things like this. And
    they say Microsoft is good at marketing...
    Jeremy Nixon, Apr 10, 2006
  11. Matt Clara

    Matt Clara Guest

    I'd love a mac, and all the software I could use on it, if only to see what
    the hype is all about, and so I could look down my nose at windows users.
    The ability to use windows would seem to be aimed at windows users, but I
    see nothing in it for me. I think Jon B's comments sum it up best.
    Matt Clara, Apr 10, 2006
  12. You need to check your facts again, 'cause you ain't even close.

    In the meantime, have fun with your virus collection unit.
    Randall Ainsworth, Apr 11, 2006
  13. Matt Clara

    J. Clarke Guest

    If he "ain't even close" then point out the errors. Or are you having
    trouble with the term "native"?
    J. Clarke, Apr 11, 2006
  14. Matt Clara

    cjcampbell Guest

    There are a couple reasons for it. The main one is that it lowers the
    barrier to switching to a Mac. You no longer have the problem of not
    being able to run your old software. There are advantages to switching
    to a Mac, chiefly a better interface, some applications that will not
    run on Windows, and some applications that run better on a Mac than on
    Windows. For example, Microsoft Office 2004 on the Mac has several
    features not found in any Windows version. Excel on Mac has several
    database functions that are not in the Windows version. Mac users think
    it is pretty funny that Microsoft sells a better office suite for OS X
    than it does for Windows, but they generally keep quiet about it.
    Popular photo editing programs such as Photoshop were really designed
    to be run on Macs. The best film editing software runs only on Mac.
    Aperture and LightRoom run only on Mac. And so forth. Macs are more
    bulletproof and not subject to the threats of viruses found in Windows.
    The operating system is more stable and misbehaving applications are
    less likely to bring the whole system down.
    software favors Windows. Game software usually runs better on Windows.
    And there are some specialized applications that are available only on

    Peripherals run well on both systems, so you will not need to double up
    on peripherals, with a few odd exceptions:

    1) Apple Bluetooth mice and Bluetooth keyboards will not work in
    Windows. Windows compatible mice and keyboards work just fine on Macs,
    however. One drawback of Mac keyboards is that they are missing a
    couple of important keys, such as <INSERT>, so many Mac users already
    use Windows keyboards and mice. A lot of us just do not like one button
    mice, so we use Windows mice.

    2) Boot Camp requires you to partition your drive into Windows and OS X
    partitions. If you want a Windows partition greater than 32 gigabytes,
    then you will have to use NTFS, which OS X has problems with (but there
    are exceptions to that rule). This really is not much of a limitation,
    though as there are all kinds of simple workarounds.

    Other than that it is very rare to find any device that will not work
    on both systems.

    Boot Camp is still in beta test and will not be officially released
    until Leopard, the next version of OS X, is released. So far there have
    been very few problems reported with it.

    A lot of people now own both Windows and Mac computers. I do. I prepare
    my taxes and do my flight planning on the Windows computer and keep my
    books, edit my photos, prepare all my documents, do presentations, and
    access the Internet and email on my Mac. I would prepare my taxes on
    the Mac, too, if there were decent corporate tax software available. So
    I would probably use a dual boot system.
    cjcampbell, Apr 11, 2006
  15. Matt Clara

    J. Clarke Guest

    I'm curious, what would those be?
    Once, a long time ago. Adobe is not even supporting the Mac anymore with
    some of the stuff that was "designed to run on Macs".
    There is a good editing suite that runs only on Macs. Whether it is "the
    best" is debatable. Premiere Pro works quite well.
    Which is of course why Apple provides an antivirus as part of the package.
    Prove it. I've not had an application "bring the whole system down" on
    Windows in a very long time. If stability was a real issue then large
    businesses would not be using Server 2K3 for mission-critical applications.
    If you tried doing those on Windows I suspect that you would find that the
    only thing wonderful about your Mac is that you are comfortable with it.
    J. Clarke, Apr 11, 2006
  16. Matt Clara

    C J Southern Guest

    Only the Mac zealots seem to think so.
    This is just plain dishonest - you seem to have "forgotten" to mention that
    the only reason these were put into Excel is because there isn't (and will
    never be) a version of Microsoft's Access database for the Mac - in other
    words it gives them a "crude" way to enjoy just a small piece of the
    database functionality that the PC camp have enjoyed for years. Funny how
    the Mac zealots generally keep quiet about that.

    I even went to the trouble of checking the apple website for more info on
    the professional version of office ...


    .... Unfortunately none of the links appear to be working - guess they must
    develope their own super-reliable web-servers too. Hmmm.

    The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be
    experiencing technical difficulties"

    It's not a better office suite - it's simply because they are developed in
    different cycles (creating more work for Microsoft) Office for Mac is at
    2004 version - PC is about to go to 2006 version - lets not forget that the
    only reason Microsoft took a shareholding in Apple and produced any version
    of office for them at all was to get the bureaucratic usurpers off their
    back with the threatened anti-trust suit. Funny how the Mac zealots forget
    to mention that too.
    Originally designed, not "really designed" - Photoshop started out being
    written on Apple hardware because that's what Thomas Knoll's father happened
    to buy - no other reason. Adobe continued to develope for these markets
    because Apple at the time had a disproportionate share of graphics and
    education markets - but the tide has turned - these days many more PCs are
    used in these roles, although they still have a higher percentage of their
    sales in these areas.
    Bollocks - the best film editing software runs on clusters of hundreds of
    PCs and Linux boxes, albeit some of the software is from Apple (like Shake).
    Of course Aperture does - it's an Apple product for god sake. LightRoom will
    be available on BOTH platforms.
    More bollocks. The only reason there aren't more viruses for the Mac is that
    the virus writers can't be bothered addressing such a ridiculously small
    market - I suspect a lot of other developers are close to going the same
    way - hence Apples "ship abandonment / insurance policy" jump to the WinXP
    camp. WinXP is exceptionally stable - as was Win2K - and even Windows NT4
    was pretty darn good (certainly a damn site more stable than the Macs of the
    day ever were). For MANY years we've had OS protection from wayward apps
    taking down the system. I can't remember the last time I had a WinXP box
    crash - Apple OS isn't "more stable" - the best you're going to do is "as
    stable" - and while you're at it you might like to convey that to the poor
    souls over in alt.graphics.photoshop who upgraded to Mac OS 10.3 and now
    have photoshop crash the entire system each time they start it.
    So you're saying that if you want to use partitions bigger than 32GB (which
    is practically everyone) you can't run a stable NTFS file system on the Mac?
    Uh-Oh - there goes file security, recoverability, and high performance.
    C J Southern, Apr 11, 2006
  17. Matt Clara

    Guest Guest

    you can use either ntfs or fat32 for windows on the mac.

    mac os x can only read ntfs because it is proprietary, but it can read
    and write to fat32 volumes. therefore, if the user wants to copy files
    between the os x and windows partitions while booted in os x, they
    might choose fat32 so they can just drag files between the two
    partitions. if they make the partition ntfs, they will not be able to
    easily do this - they would need an external fat32 drive, for instance.
    Guest, Apr 11, 2006
  18. Matt Clara

    J. Clarke Guest

    Of course the genii at Apple aren't bright enough to write a Windows device
    driver that supports their _own_ proprietary format.
    J. Clarke, Apr 11, 2006
  19. Matt Clara

    cjcampbell Guest

    A more powerful list manager, for example.
    Funny. All those Hollywood blockbusters seem to be produced on Macs.
    What antivirus? I didn't get no antivirus.
    Fine, if you have a staff of ICS types who can strictly limit what
    software people put in their boxes. Windows runs great if you button it
    up real tight. Most people don't do that, though.
    To the contrary, I did all those things on Windows since version 3.0
    (I have had every version including 1.0, but 3.0 was the first one that
    actually worked). I did them on DOS before that. I only switched to Mac
    last year.

    Really, you seem totally ignorant of Macs. Perhaps you ought to try
    learning something about them before you put both feet in your mouth
    cjcampbell, Apr 11, 2006
  20. Matt Clara

    cjcampbell Guest

    So says the Windows zealot.

    No, I have not forgotten that Access is not available for Mac. I have
    not forgotten, either, that in the many years I used only Windows
    machines that I never actually found a use for Access.
    cjcampbell, Apr 11, 2006
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