P SHOP LE VS Elements

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by mcsteve, Aug 30, 2008.

  1. mcsteve

    mcsteve Guest

    After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having
    much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more.
    I have tried every damn solution/fix I can think of. I un-installed and
    re-installed it. I have performed every maintenance procedure that
    I have available (Windows and Norton Systemworks). It just stopped
    working. The window opens, but remains blank and stalls.
    So, here is my question:
    Is Elements similar in functionality and layout to LE ? I do not
    have the need for full blown P Shop, nor do I want to spend that
    kind of $$$.

    LE has served my purposes just fine for many years.
    I'd like to stick with a program I'm familiar with, rather than use
    some other software from a different brand, altogether.

    mcsteve, Aug 30, 2008
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  2. mcsteve

    jimkramer Guest

    If you've been using PS LE5.0 then even the most basic Elements 3 - 4 (What
    are they up to now 7?) will simply blow you away. But as for the interface
    being similar, no. There's a whole new set of menus and functions and
    controls to learn, sorry. On the bright side PS CS2 or CS3 would be even
    worse. :)
    jimkramer, Aug 30, 2008
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  3. mcsteve

    tony cooper Guest

    Adobe's Photoshop Elements 6.0 is available for a free download for a
    30 day period. Elements will everything, and more, that LE 5.0 does.
    I'd suggest you try it. There's some learning involved, but nothing
    particularly complicated.

    Elements 6.0 will cost you somewhere between $50 and $100, but you can
    purchase earlier versions of Elements for less. I have Elements 5.0
    and prefer it to 6.0. (I also have Photoshop 7.0, but use Elements
    for simple post-processing)

    I am not a fan of Norton Systemworks. It seems to cause more problems
    with other programs than it benefits. The free AVG program is less
    tony cooper, Aug 30, 2008
  4. mcsteve

    mcsteve Guest

    What is "AVG", and where do I find it?

    What is frustrating to me, is that I've been running LE on the
    same machine since early '04, and it just stopped working.
    It is a registered copy, which I purchased at retail price.
    The same version of LE is still running fine on my laptop.
    One major issue is that I use LE with my scanners, which
    are connected to my PC. The flatbed uses a SCSI interface,
    and I can't connect it to my laptop. I am frustrated, and pissed.
    Goddam Windows!
    mcsteve, Aug 30, 2008
  5. mcsteve

    tony cooper Guest

    http://free.avg.com/ They have a free version (which most people
    use) at that site.

    If you change to AVG, you have to uninstall Norton. That's extremely
    complicated because the standard uninstall procedures don't work for
    Norton. Using Windows>Control Panel>Add or Remove Programs does not
    remove all of the Norton components. You have to contact Norton
    (Symantic) for an additional set of steps (free) to completely remove
    Norton. If you don't, you have future problems.

    Whatever anti-virus you use, turn it off when downloading and/or
    installing a new program. These programs often block parts of an

    Try re-installing your LE program with Norton turned off.

    I have a SCSI port on my desktop because the slide/negative scanner I
    use requires it. (An older Minolta) I import the slide scans to
    Elements 5.0 without a problem.
    tony cooper, Aug 30, 2008
  6. mcsteve

    mcsteve Guest

    After trying all possible fixes I uninstalled and then tried to
    re-install LE. The CD wouldn't even run, when I tried to do
    the installation. I was finally able to do the install by re-booting
    in "safe" mode. The installation looked complete, but the program
    won't run. I may try as you suggested, and do another install
    with Norton off.
    As for removing all Norton files, I'm not too keen on that. I paid
    full retail for the package. I'm not comfortable with dumping
    something I spent $$ on.

    mcsteve, Aug 30, 2008
  7. mcsteve

    tony cooper Guest

    That's certainly your choice, but if you have the disks you can
    re-install it. However, sticking with a program just because you paid
    for it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

    says that Norton takes up roughly 6-times the space on your computer
    as other anti-virus programs. It doesn't work with Firefox, and
    Firefox is my choice (and the choice of many others) in place of
    Internet Explorer. There are numerous other problems associated with
    Norton that can be found by a web search.

    From another site: "Norton Antivirus 2008 is a good product for
    keeping your computer safe from viruses, but is not as effective as it
    should be against spyware. While it has a good track record of keeping
    viruses off of computers using it, it also has significant issues with
    slowing down computers that it is protecting. Symantec has done a lot
    to fix the slow down issues by reducing the amount of system resources
    used, but they still need to do more work to make the product a
    contender in the modern antivirus market."

    I'm not trying to get you to dump Norton, but if you are having
    problems, and these problems may be associated with Norton, it may be
    best to bite the bullet and dump it.
    tony cooper, Aug 30, 2008
  8. mcsteve

    tony cooper Guest

    You are comparing a program that costs almost $1,000 (CS3) to a
    program that costs just under $100(Elements), and can be purchased for
    less in many places. Wasn't that long ago I saw a printer being
    advertised for under $100 with Elements bundled with it.

    As for the helluvalotmore stuff...just about all of that more stuff is
    not used by the average photographer, and much of it isn't used by the
    experienced, professional photographer. There are more bells and
    whistles in the full Photoshop programs than most people know how to

    I have Photoshop 7.0 and Elements 5.0. I use them both, and sometimes
    I'll use both on the same image. For certain situations, one is
    usually the best choice over the other.

    Elements also has a built-in Organizer which allows tagging and other
    benefits. I don't happen to like it, and don't use it, but many do.
    If I wanted to use tagging, I'd use Lightroom (which I have) and tag
    there. That's a $100 program that has other benefits.

    The word is "hokey", by the way. It means "contrived and artificial".
    All program interfaces are contrived and artificial. The makers
    contrive to make them attractive but simple to use. Adobe often
    misses, but - then - most software designers miss somewhere along the
    tony cooper, Aug 30, 2008
  9. mcsteve

    mcsteve Guest

    Well, they really missed with Elements. I bought a copy, and
    hate it. Really bad layout and options. Can't even choose "pixels"
    in the re-size function. It's obviously aimed at those who print at home,
    and make "photo albums".
    I just want a program that can process images from a dSLR or slide
    I think I'll shop around for another copy of LE. Much cleaner layout,
    and more straightforward.
    In short, I think Elements sucks ass. Even though I got it for $59,
    I feel like it was money wasted.
    mcsteve, Sep 5, 2008
  10. mcsteve

    mcsteve Guest

    I have V 6. It does NOT have an option in the re-size function to
    choose "pixels".
    As I already said, LE is a lot more straightforward and has
    a cleaner layout. While Elements contains certain improvements
    over LE, it is flawed to the point of clunkiness. It stinks, IMO.
    mcsteve, Sep 5, 2008
  11. mcsteve

    tony cooper Guest

    I scanned in and tweaked several hundred slides using Elements 5.0. I
    had to use Photoshop 7.0 on a few, but most came out well using

    If McSteve is having problems using Elements, the problem with McSteve
    and not with Elements. There's ample indication of this with his
    comments about the layout. It's a dead-simple interface to work with.
    tony cooper, Sep 5, 2008
  12. mcsteve

    tony cooper Guest

    Elements does not have pixels in the drop-down for resizing. It has
    percent, cm, mm, points, and picas. If you want to resize to a given
    pixel dimension, you crop to that dimension. You can crop by pixel

    In the hundreds of slide scans I've done, I've never resized.
    Cropped, yes, but not resized.
    tony cooper, Sep 5, 2008
  13. mcsteve

    mcsteve Guest

    Please get a clue.

    In Elements 6.0, the options are:

    Also, to re-size, you must click "image">"re-size", then
    "image size". With LE, there is a drop down menu
    that automatically accesses image size. Within that
    window, you can enter the width and height, in pixels.
    There is no need to check the "re-sample" option. So, LE
    is much much streamlined than the lame-ass Elements
    mcsteve, Sep 5, 2008
  14. mcsteve

    mcsteve Guest

    And, you would be wrong. A function that took two clicks in LE
    requires four in Elements. Is that an improvement?

    Then, there's the other fool who keeps referencing V 3, when I clearly
    said I have V 6.
    Not the same.
    mcsteve, Sep 5, 2008
  15. mcsteve

    tony cooper Guest

    Alan is correct. I have Elements 5.0 and clicking "resample" changes
    the top box to allow resampling by pixel dimension. It's one click to
    change the option, but you must enter the setting. I assume you must
    enter the setting in that cereal box program you like.

    Why you'd resize instead of cropping to size is beyond me. Most
    images are improved by cropping.
    tony cooper, Sep 5, 2008
  16. mcsteve

    Dave Guest

    Have you considered the Gimp.


    It is very good. The price, $0.00 is within most peoples budget!

    If you have not tried it, why not download a copy and try it? You could
    have it installed in about 10 minutes from now.

    The above site only keeps the source code, so I suggest you download the
    windows installer from


    The latest release is 2.4.7 as of today (Friday Sept 5th 2008). The
    download for the Windows installer you probably want is


    However, that last link is the latest as of today. Next month there
    might be a later release.
    Dave, Sep 5, 2008
  17. mcsteve

    tony cooper Guest

    This guy has trouble with the interface of Elements 6.0 and can't
    figure out how to resize with that simple program. Gimp is more
    complicated for the novice and software impaired, so he'd be
    completely lost.
    tony cooper, Sep 5, 2008
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