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Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Eric Stevens, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Neither the words "software development" nor "software" are used in
    the article you have just cited.
    If it was a class room I would chalk up a diagram setting out the
    hierarchy of instructions which define the difference between a
    protocol and a procedure (software implements a procedure to meet the
    requirements of a protocol). As this is not a classrroom I will have
    to leave you to think about this yourself.
    You failing to understand does not mean that I have failed to support
    my claim.
    You have already the necessary explanations. If this were a class room
    with you having to sit an examination at the end of the year I would
    predict you will fail to answer this question correctly.

    As it is, you are locked into a logical loop. In demanding examples
    which meet your requirementts you arefusing to understand the current
    use of the word 'protocol' until you understand the currrent use of
    the word 'protocol'.
    And I correctly pointed out that I was the first to use that term. You
    certainly talked about 'software developing'. I don't know who first
    introduced the subject of software developing/development.
    Because you said (above) "he had started to talk about it".
    The fact that continue to talk about 'software' (which is inside the
    black box) while Tony is referring to 'protocol' (which is outside the
    black box and determines what the black box is supposed to do) shows
    that you do not understand what is being said to you.
    I've got nothing to be afraid of.
    Eric Stevens, Nov 30, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    It doesn't need to be dedicated. Just as long as it is not subject to
    significant other use while Photoshop is running.
    Eric Stevens, Nov 30, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    I have an SSD in my laptop that I use solely as a swap drive. It's only
    16 gig and I have no other use for it.
    PeterN, Dec 1, 2013
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    David Taylor Guest

    On 30/11/2013 23:05, Eric Stevens wrote:
    Better to have enough memory in the first place, if you can. Make some
    of it a RAMdisk if your program doesn't have a 64-bit version.
    David Taylor, Dec 1, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    Semantics, the trolls last resort. What kind of developer do you think Tony
    was in reference to? Agricultural developer? Film developer?

    Keep digging, Eric.
    Sure, what you will NOT do, hwoever, is substantiate your incorrect claim
    about my knowledge about the word "protocol". As predicted.
    So quote a post from you that:

    1. Shows me misusing, misunderstanding or misapplying the word "protocol"
    2. Shows you correctly using it.

    Unless you can do both, you are a liar.
    You failed to substantiate your claim again, Eric. All you offer is hot air
    and empty words.

    You claimed that I don't know what "Protocol" means, yet you have provided
    NOTHING *from me* that is support for that claim from you. Your irrelevant
    and incorrect "examples" is *not* substantiation for your initial claim.
    I.e. I never claimed he said "software development" verbatim. That's your
    troll diversion when you realized that it was your troll buddy that had
    started the topic you tried to pin on me.
    Incorrect, given the *fact* (that I have substantiated) that *I* don't
    "continue" to talk about software, since it was Tony who brought software
    up and diverted the "discussion" into the field of software development.
    Stop lying, Eric,
    So why do you refuse to be specific, Eric? Why these wide claims and
    allusive analogies - why can't you answer to very very simple questions:

    1. Where and what did I post about the word "protocol" that was incorrect
    2. What is the correct usage of the word "protocol" in that context.

    Failure to answer these questions exposes your lies (again).
    Sandman, Dec 1, 2013
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    android Guest

    Whatever, use a raid0 for either.
    android, Dec 1, 2013
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    android Guest

    Is it Mr. Troll Duck that you are talking to? He's wanted in farthy
    states u know.
    android, Dec 1, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Fine, use four drives for swap, not two. Make 'em 15K RPM drives while
    you're about it. Heck, use SSD and just resign yourself to replacing
    them when they use up thier write-cycles. And put those in RAID-0.

    The point is that this isn't anything unique to Linux.
    J. Clarke, Dec 1, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Note; The troll form the Western Baltic was carrying on over the use of
    the word: "Protocol." Npw he/she complains about semantics.
    PeterN, Dec 1, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    On 12/1/2013 11:05 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

    A few months ago I heard that an SSD has a fairly short life cycle. That
    surprised me, as I thought the SSD would have a longer life cycle than a
    mechanical drive.
    PeterN, Dec 1, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    it does.

    no moving parts goes a long way.

    there will always be premature failures with any technology. always
    make backups.
    Guest, Dec 1, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    The problem is that properly framed neither an objection nor a
    question. I used the words you used. Now you say I should have used
    something else. So then should have you.
    Let's try again but this time using 'IP' = Internet Protocol.

    1. It's a Protocol.
    2. It describes something, but not any scrap of software or hardware.

    Yet people implementing TCP/IP have to follow the IP protocol. Just as
    in Tony's example people backing up his hypothetical computer have to
    follow his backup protoocol.
    You are being dense. You have been told over and over again.
    Your use of the word protocol as meaning software is quite wrong.
    You used those words. Now you are trying to claim they are not

    --- tail snipped ---
    Eric Stevens, Dec 2, 2013
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    android Guest

    Storage is like care tires. You were them out. Traditional disks are
    like standard tires, last long but not forever and SSDs are like low
    profile sports ones, better performance but with shorter lifecycle if
    readandwrites is the key factor. Theoretically SSDs would last longer,
    if you don't use them.
    Fast small conventional disks in a raid0 should give you the best cost
    effective high performance solution for swap and scratch. But thats my
    opinion and the SSDs are getting better.
    Remember that a flashdrive needs a charge now and then or it will lose
    its data.
    android, Dec 2, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    Storage is like care tires. You were them out. Traditional disks are
    like standard tires, last long but not forever and SSDs are like low
    profile sports ones, better performance but with shorter lifecycle if
    readandwrites is the key factor. Theoretically SSDs would last longer,
    if you don't use them.[/QUOTE]

    they last longer even if you do use them. some have a 10 year warranty.

    chances are they'll be replaced with a larger capacity ssd before they
    wear out, likely along with the computer too.

    early ssds did have some teething problems, but those days are long
    gone. don't let that cloud your impression of where ssds are now, or
    where they will be going forward.
    that doesn't fit inside a laptop.

    the best compromise of price, performance and capacity is a mix of both
    ssd and hard drive.

    meanwhile, hard drives need to be spun up every once in a while or they
    won't spin up at all.
    Guest, Dec 2, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    No, it doesn't. There is nothing on a flash memory to "charge".
    J. Clarke, Dec 2, 2013
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    David Taylor Guest

    The memory cells used in SSD have a limited number of write cycles,
    limiting the life of an SSD drive:

    Use the SSD mostly for read to maximise its lifetime, try to avoid using
    it for write-intensive operations (perhaps video editing, but many other
    applications as well).
    David Taylor, Dec 2, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    Well, since we're being literal - you used "software development", I used
    "software developing" - so where does that leave us?

    As I said - the trolls last resort - nitpicking details instead of staying
    on topic. You have to take my words literally since that's the only way for
    you to create an argument. This is what I said:

    "something he doesn't understand (software developing)"

    I never claimed that Tony had said the word "software developing" verbatim
    since that's not my claim. I said he talked about software developing
    (which is true) and he didn't understand it (which is also true). You took
    this to mean that I was the one that had started to talk about software
    development, and when you realized it was your troll buddy that had, your
    only choice was to take the phrase literally. because admitting to an
    error? Nooooo!
    Which is something entirely different that what we have been discussing.
    Sure, that's STILL not substantiation for your claim:

    "The problem in this case is that neither of you properly
    understand the meaning of 'protocol'.

    That remains as unsubstantiated since the time you made the claim. You have
    NOT supported your claim that I (or nospam) "properly" understand the
    meaning of "protocol". That remains an empty claim to this day.
    You are now outright lying, Eric.
    Ah, another claim from you! Now you have to quote me saying that "protocol
    means software"

    Just CLAIMING that I've said that doesn't mean that I've actually said it,
    you know. In the real world, you have to support your position.

    As an explicit claim from me - I have never said that the word protocol
    means "software". This is a pure invention on your part.

    See - when you make stuff up on the spot, your lies are easy to expose. If
    your claims had any relation to reality, you would actually quote the
    origin! Then I would be more than helpful to point out your
    misunderstanding, but as it is now - all I can point out are your outright
    lies about me and what I've said.
    I didn't use the words "software development", that was you, Eric.
    Sandman, Dec 2, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    nothing lasts forever.

    some ssds now come with longer warranties than hard drives. that should
    tell you something.
    Guest, Dec 2, 2013
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    Mayayana Guest

    | > The memory cells used in SSD have a limited number of write cycles,
    | > limiting the life of an SSD drive:
    | nothing lasts forever.
    | some ssds now come with longer warranties than hard drives. that should
    | tell you something.

    This one is guaranteed for 3 years. What that tells me
    is that they feel a need to reassure people that SSDs are
    ready for use. Most hard disks last 10 years+, though
    occasional failures can happen at any age. I've never
    noticed warranties on hard disks, and the article linked
    above doesn't mention them. People know what to expect
    with a hard disk.

    The problem with warranties is that at best they only
    replace specific loss. Pressure treated wood used to be
    guaranteed not to rot. So if your fence falls down you
    have to replace it, but the $5 posts will be free, assuming
    you saved all of your paperwork.... Great. Likewise with
    a failed drive. You *might* be covered if you saved
    receipts, registered online, and all that rigmarole. But
    you won't be reimbursed for data and time lost.

    Not that I'm criticizing SSDs. It's just that you're taking
    sides with emotional, rather than rational, motivation.
    Mayayana, Dec 2, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    this one is warranted for 10
    they absolutely are ready, and with a huge speed boost too.
    no. 10 years is unusually long for a hard drive. definitely not most.

    disk failures start to increase dramatically after 3-4 years, according
    to numerous studies.
    usually 1 year, sometimes 3. it used to be 5, but drive makers cut back
    on it. think about why they might have done that.
    only because ssds are new. people fear change.
    obviously the warranty won't replace data. how could it?

    send in the dead drive, get back a working drive, restore from backup.
    not a big deal.
    nope. i'm presenting the facts.
    Guest, Dec 2, 2013
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