Paintshop and Corel

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Eric Stevens, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. Eric Stevens

    David Taylor Guest

    On 02/12/2013 13:25, nospam wrote:
    You need to understand the way you use the disk. Use it a lot, and you
    will have invalidated that warranty.
    David Taylor, Dec 2, 2013
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  2. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    nonsense. there is no way anyone can tell how heavily it was used.
    Guest, Dec 2, 2013
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  3. Eric Stevens

    David Taylor Guest

    An SSD fails sooner if it is used more, because of the finite number of
    write cycles each cell has. I would not trust any guarantee which did
    not specify the net data write in some way or other.
    David Taylor, Dec 2, 2013
  4. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    so does a hard drive, and if it fails sooner, it will more likely fail
    within warranty rather than afterwards, so you'll get a free
    hard drives don't do that, so why expect it of an ssd?

    if something has a 10 year warranty, or even 5 year, that's longer than
    its useful life. i'm already starting to replace drives i bought 3-4
    years ago, not because they failed but because i need more space.

    and if an ssd or hd fails, restore from a backup. it's not the end of
    the world.
    Guest, Dec 2, 2013
  5. Eric Stevens

    David Taylor Guest

    David Taylor, Dec 2, 2013
  6. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    so what? nobody said it was the same.

    a hard drive in a server that's constantly reading and writing will
    fail sooner than a hard drive that is almost always idle (outside of
    random failures, which can affect anything, at any time).

    it's common sense.
    Guest, Dec 2, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    That sounds pretty much like what I heard from others. (Including a guy
    who repairs computers for a living.) He stated hat he saw more issues
    with SSDs, than HDDs.
    PeterN, Dec 2, 2013
  8. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    Not a big deal. The employees get a short, but much needed vacation
    while waiting for the arrival of the new drive.
    PeterN, Dec 2, 2013
  9. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    I was talking aobout an SSD used under the same conditions as an HDD.
    PeterN, Dec 2, 2013
  10. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    maybe early ones, he did. not modern ones.
    Guest, Dec 2, 2013
  11. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    i see you've never run a business.

    any company that doesn't have a replacement to use immediately while a
    broken item is in for repair, regardless of what that item is, is a
    company that will soon be offering very long unpaid vacations for the
    entire staff, all at once.

    and if they don't have backups for the data, then that vacation will
    happen even sooner.
    Guest, Dec 2, 2013
  12. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    ssd will last longer.
    Guest, Dec 2, 2013
  13. Eric Stevens

    Mark Sieving Guest

    I came across a test of the Samsung SSD 840 250GB TLC:

    Their conclusion:

    "So let's calculate the lifespan. We consider the first uncorrectable error to
    be the end of the SSD. For the first one that was after 764 TiB of written
    data, and for the second one that was after 768 TiB of written data. That the
    two failed so close together could indicate that the lifespan of the Samsung 840
    SSDs is fairly constant. However, two SSDs aren't representative of the
    thousands that are out there.

    "If we take the 764 TiB and an average of 10 GiB of writes per day, we arrive
    at a lifespan of 214 years. Keep in mind that we sequentially write and fill
    the SSD which gives us write amplification factor of only 1.04 or 1.05. That's
    the difference between the write commands sent to the SSD and the writes
    executed by the SSD internally. The general assumption is a WAF of around 3.0
    for normal consumer use with SSDs that don't employ compression tricks. That
    translates to a lifespan of 75 years. Even when you push an SSD to the max by
    downloading lots of movies everyday up to an average of 30 GiB per day, the SSD
    will still last you 24 years. No matter how you use it, it will last longer than the period you plan on using it (most people like to add more capacity
    after a certain time). A functional lifespan of 10 years is already unusually
    high for a storage medium."

    As they note, a sample of two drives is not conclusive, but the indication is
    that the drives will probably last far longer than anyone would require.
    Mark Sieving, Dec 2, 2013
  14. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    You insisted he was talking about software developing. He wasn't.

    You started going off the rails when on 26 Nov 2013 22:09:20 GMT in

    "Well, there's your problem. You think a protocol determines what a
    program does... Maybe that's why you were talking about the totally
    unrelated FTP before? You think programs are filled with
    developer-enabled protocols or something like that.

    The word "protocol" isn't tied to programs at all. In fact, few
    would use "protocol" to anything software related unless you are
    in reference to that alternate definition of "protocol" that deals
    with *communication between computers*, like FTP or HTTP, or NNTP
    - all protocols, but not a fixed set of steps.

    "What a program does" is defined by the code, which few would
    consider to be a "protocol" by any stretch of the imagination. "

    You then go on to discuss the execution of conditional code etc.

    The protocol is not the code; it is not the logic of the particular
    block of code; it is not any part of the program at all. It is a
    statement, definition, of what the code must do. In exactly the same
    way the protocols for FTP, HTTP, NNTP and IP are statements of what
    the code must do. e.g.

    None of these are the current protocols but they illustrate how the
    word 'protocol' is used in this context.

    Tony's hypothetical backup protocol would not be as large or as
    complex but it would define what the backup procedure would have to
    achieve. The details are left to the programmer but the program is not
    the protocol.
    Eric Stevens, Dec 3, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    An assumption that would be wrong.
    Funny, I ask a simple question, and you turn it into a personal attack
    on my competence. When you try to tell me a computer crash is no big
    deal, it highlights your ignorance of practicalities.
    PeterN, Dec 3, 2013
  16. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    I think it should, but have been advised to the contrary.
    PeterN, Dec 3, 2013
  17. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    not based on anything you wrote then or now.
    when you lie about what i say, i'm going to turn it into an attack.

    crashes, hardware failures and other problems happen. anyone who
    pretends that they don't is an ignorant fool and incapable of running a

    if a company isn't prepared for such problems, then they won't be in
    business very long.

    if they are prepared for it, the broken part is swapped out on the spot
    with a spare. in some cases, it can happen automatically.

    common sense, really.
    Guest, Dec 3, 2013
  18. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    you've received bad advice.
    Guest, Dec 3, 2013
  19. Eric Stevens

    Sandman Guest

    Indeed he was, as I have substantiated:

    Tony Cooper
    Re: Paintshop and Corel
    11/25/2013 <>

    "How do you think an "automatic" process comes to be?
    Someone first decides what the process will be, and then
    writes it into the system. The back-up protocol was
    determined by the developers of the Time Machine program and
    installed it to do the back-up automatically in the future.
    The "automatic" function is part of the protocol."

    He is quite clearly talking about software development when referencing the
    developers of the Time Machine software.

    Once again I have proven you to be incorrect.
    That was me agreeing with your notion that "protocol" is rarely, if ever,
    used in conjunction with software development.
    Indeed. I.e. not a protocol.
    Not at all. The protocols of HTTP says exactly NOTHING about what the
    *code* must do - only in how the application must communicate with the
    No shit, Sherlock. That is exactly what I told him when he ignorantly
    started to talk about software development.

    Eric still fails to substantiate his claim - now making it an outright lie.

    No quote from Eric, since there is none. His claim is incorrect and he
    knows he can't support it, so he'll ignore this rather than admit to his
    error. Like a true troll.

    Now run along, Eric. You have nothing but humiliation to gain from this
    Sandman, Dec 3, 2013
  20. Eric Stevens

    David Taylor Guest

    On 02/12/2013 22:41, Mark Sieving wrote:
    Thanks for that pointer, Mark. It does show that you need to know your
    disk activity before committing to an SSD rather than an HD. In one
    application I have, we get about 50 GB/day of compressed satellite data,
    which is then processed to images totally some 50 GB/day, which may then
    be further processed by scientists into both images and animations. The
    animations may be updated once every 5 or 15 minutes (according to the
    data source). Disk writes may be some 250 GB/day, giving an SSD life
    (for their device) of less than 3 years for this intensive usage. And
    that with one of the most recent SSDs available.

    Interesting that "Samsung guarantees a lifespan of 1,000 cycles",
    contradicting claims made by another poster in this thread.
    David Taylor, Dec 3, 2013
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