Panasonic AG-HVX200 or other HD on LINUX?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Phueque, Apr 16, 2007.

  1. Phueque

    Phueque Guest

    I've been trying to find out if there is any Linux solution to reading
    and viewing P2 cards on a laptop running Linux. I'm coming up with
    bupkiss.

    I also have a Sanyo HD1 and would like to edit it's MP4 footage. At
    least I can play those back in VLC.

    Does any one know if Cinelerra can handle either of these formats?
     
    Phueque, Apr 16, 2007
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  2. Phueque

    Phueque Guest

    Thought I would clarify my subject since no one has responded.
     
    Phueque, Apr 19, 2007
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  3. Phueque

    Phueque Guest

    Wow.... Absolutely NO ONE is editing P2 source footage in Linux?
     
    Phueque, May 11, 2007
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  4. Phueque

    Frank Guest


    Aside from the ability for the OS to "see" the P2 card in the
    computer's PCMCIA CardBus PC Card slot (the card contains a four-way
    RAID level 0 flash memory array), it seems to me that you would also
    need the ability to interpret MXF files and additionally, have a
    DVCPRO HD codec installed, specifically one that's compatible with
    your particular flavor of Linux and that is recognized by whatever NLE
    software you're using. I don't have an answer for you, but I'm
    wondering if you've contacted Panasonic with your question. They may
    have a definitive answer for you.

    I know that New York One, a 24/7 local cable television news channel,
    uses P2 equipment, but they edit on Macs using Final Cut Pro, if I
    remember correctly.
     
    Frank, May 11, 2007
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  5. Ah yes, Mac's with their Unix-flavoured OS ;-) (not that this will help the
    OP...)

    -m-
     
    Martin Heffels, May 12, 2007
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  6. Phueque

    Phueque Guest

    Thanks for responding Frank, and Martin.

    Our work flow right now is to back each 4GB card to Hard Drive and DVD
    up as it's filled. Then we usually copy the portable HD to an edit
    machine with Edios on the PC.

    No Mac I would buy has a PCMCIA card slot. So Final Cut for portable
    backup is out.

    I was just hoping to I could Ditch Windows. I'm one of "those" people
    who have taken Vista as an offense.

    It's a shame that apparently Linux hasn't risen to the challenge.
     
    Phueque, May 12, 2007
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    Frank Guest

    You're quite welcome.
    Understand. That's the Panasonic-recommended procedure.
    By "Edios" I assume that you mean Thomson/Grass Valley/Canopus Edius
    Broadcast?

    For those who may be interested, a product review by Rev. John Jackman
    of Edius Broadcast was published in the June 2007 issue of "DV"
    magazine and has been posted to the Web at the following URL.

    http://www.dv.com/reviews/reviews_item.php?articleId=196603115

    Aside from the Edius Broadcast solution, there are several other
    methods of P2 ingest/edit including Avid Xpress Pro HD, Avid Media
    Composer (including Mojo on certain systems), Matrox Axio with Adobe
    Premiere Pro, Sony Vegas with DVFilm Raylight and, of course, Apple
    Final Cut Pro. The latest version of Raylight even works directly with
    Premiere Pro, thus eliminating the need for a hardware-based
    foundation such as Axio.
    Not to be picky, but the CardBus PC Card standard and the ExpressCard
    standard both come from the PCMCIA group, but I know what you mean
    (you would be forced to buy an old Mac with CardBus PC Card slots
    because all the newer Macs have Express Card slots and you don't want
    to purchase an older, underpowered machine), however if you're willing
    to use an adapter, you could circumvent this problem. Duel Systems of
    San Jose, California, for example, offers a product called the
    DuelAdapter.

    This U.S. $119 MSRP adapter allows use of old cards in machines having
    only the new ExpressCard slots. The DuelAdapter is an ExpressCard/34
    adapter, so it will work with both ExpressCard/34 and ExpressCard/54
    slots, and it's supported under both Windows XP and Mac OS X.

    If you download the manufacturer's PDF data sheet
    (CategoryDatasheet.pdf), you'll see Panasonic P2 cards included in the
    compatibility list.
    Maybe take a look at the DuelAdapter. Here are some links.

    http://www.duel-systemsadapters.com/

    http://www.duel-systems.com/products/adapters.aspx

    $105 until May 31, 2007 from this reseller:
    http://www.synchrotech.com/products-expc/expresscard-pcmcia-pc_cardbus_dueladapter_01.html
    More than once, I've almost tossed an uncooperative misbehaving
    Windows machine out the window.
    I assume that means you're read that little paper from a certain
    gentleman in New Zealand.

    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
    Maybe someday, but let's face it, compared to Windows and Mac OS based
    systems, the amount of video editing done on Linux machines really is
    quite small at the moment. This makes it difficult for vendors of
    commercial products to economically justify Linux development, so it's
    mostly left up to the open source community to pick up the ball.
     
    Frank, May 12, 2007
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    Frank Guest


    If I may be permitted to correct my own post...

    Although they are rather heavily invested in P2 gear, New York One
    (NY1) does *not* use Apple's FCP to edit. See the article below, which
    I just finished reading a few moments ago (I'm waaay behind in my
    reading), from the March 2007 issue of Digital Content Producer
    magazine, for the gory details of how this low-budget news operation
    actually operates.

    Digital Content Producer magazine, March 2007, Volume 33 Number 3
    One-Man Crew, by Trevor Boyer, posted March 1, 2007
    NY1 builds on its tapeless workflow with solid-state field
    acquisition.
    http://digitalcontentproducer.com/fieldprod/revfeat/oneman_crew/

    For those who aren't interested in reading the article, the story is
    that although their equipment is high def capable, they currently
    shoot only in standard def mode, not in high def mode, so the DVCPRO
    HD codec doesn't enter into the picture (no pun intended), and they
    edit on Pinnacle Vortex DeskEdit and Pinnacle Liquid Edition systems,
    not on Apple Final Cut Pro systems.

    Just for the record, both NY1 and CNN are owned by Time Warner. CNN is
    in the process of setting up a new high def news channel, CNN HD, and
    the decision has been made to go with Sony XDCAM HD equipment rather
    than Panasonic P2 HD equipment. Note that aside from a common
    corporate owner (Time Warner), NY1 and CNN (and CNN Headline News)
    have little to do with each other.
     
    Frank, May 14, 2007
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