Panasonic DMZ-FZ20, sleeper?

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by Bill Crocker, Mar 29, 2005.

  1. Bill Crocker

    irwell Guest

    The R in DSLR stands for reflex, ie an image is reflected
    through the viewfinder, not for interchangeable lenses.
    In the 35mm
    world there are many SLRs with non interchangeable lenses.
     
    irwell, Mar 31, 2005
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  2. Bill Crocker

    Bill Crocker Guest



    And clumsier, heavier, larger.

    Bill Crocker
     
    Bill Crocker, Mar 31, 2005
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  3. Bill Crocker

    Larry Guest

    There are no digital cameras without interchangeable lenses being sold as
    SLRs.

    You are confusing the issue.

    It is a zoom lens digital camera, it is NOT a reflex camera of any sort.

    The electronic viewfinder is NOT a reflection of the lens image, it is an LCD
    image generated by the camera electronics. That is NOT a reflex camera.
     
    Larry, Mar 31, 2005
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  4. I decided on the FZ20 over the Nikon 8800, but then did one more round
    of holding them in my hands. I also tried the Canon 350XT. This time I
    held them for a long time and tried lots of things. I found in the end
    I preferred the Nikon. It had features that I really wanted (I made a
    lot of use of BSS on my old 950, I wanted long exposure capability, and
    an IR remote, for example), and it just fit my hands better. I also
    like the 8mp. I also have a Canon S500 5mp that is very small, and even
    though it is a rather basic p&s, it takes superb pictures. It satisfies
    my "go anywhere, anytime" needs. The morale is one you already know:
    you've got to spend time with the possible cameras before making the
    final choice. Incidentally, after trying various dslr cameras, I
    decided I was more fond on the idea of owning such a camera than I would
    be of owning and carrying it around in the field with its various
    lenses. When I find I need only what a dslr can provide, then I will
    get one. So far I am very happy with the 8800.

    Joe
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    Joseph Miller, Mar 31, 2005
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  5. And so we get to use vs. etymology question. An SLR had two distinct
    qualities of importance here. One, you saw the image that was going on
    the film, not one from a different angle. (The "single lens" right?).
    Second, you could change that lens. Now we have things called dSLR,
    which are not R, but have the two qualities above. So what should it
    be called? I guess we will be stuck with dSLR.

    To balance things out, the term "album" can't refer to a CD. But
    "album" means a collection, as opposed to a "single" (which had two
    songs). LP would be inappropriate, but album is fine. But we have to
    call them CDs.

    Sometimes history wins, sometimes it does not.


    --
    Matt Silberstein

    All in all, if I could be any animal, I would want to be
    a duck or a goose. They can fly, walk, and swim. Plus,
    there there is a certain satisfaction knowing that at the
    end of your life you will taste good with an orange sauce
    or, in the case of a goose, a chestnut stuffing.
     
    Matt Silberstein, Apr 1, 2005
    #45
  6. Bill Crocker

    Larry Guest

    In a DSLR camera the image IS a reflected image from a mirror between the
    lens and the sensor, just like in a FILM SLR.

    The Panasonic Camera you were discissing IS NOT A DSLR CAMERA... It is a
    digital camera with non removable lens and an electronic view finder.


    The lens doesent come off

    The view finder is electronic.

    IT IS NOT A DSLR.

    A dslr is a camera similar to:

    Digital Rebel
    D70
    20D
    D100

    and MANY more.

    You really need to do some research.
     
    Larry, Apr 1, 2005
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  7. Bill Crocker

    Ron Hunter Guest

    Clumbsier, and larger, yes, some small tripods are quite light, and IS
    lens systems are pretty heavy. Might be close.
    When they get a camera with IS that I can put in my pocket, I'll get in
    line.
     
    Ron Hunter, Apr 1, 2005
    #47
  8. Bill Crocker

    Ron Hunter Guest

    The BENEFIT of a reflex system is that viewing is done through the lens
    that will take the picture, and it is a truer representation of what the
    sensor/film will record than can be had with a viewfinder. A good LCD
    image that is through the lens provides the same advantages, plus more.
    But you are, right, without the reflecting part, is is NOT a 'reflex
    camera'.
     
    Ron Hunter, Apr 1, 2005
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  9. Bill Crocker

    RHinNC Guest

    Will a Canon S1 IS fit in your pocket?

     
    RHinNC, Apr 1, 2005
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  10. Bill Crocker

    Ron Hunter Guest

    We still 'dial' phones. I rest my case.
     
    Ron Hunter, Apr 1, 2005
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  11. Bill Crocker

    Bill Crocker Guest

    Ron's comments are correct! And we should all remember, some of the worlds
    best, and most famous photographers, used non-SLR cameras. One of the more
    popular being the Leica 35mm range finder camera. So in the real world, I
    don't think a non-SLR really limits the whole process.

    Bill Crocker
     
    Bill Crocker, Apr 1, 2005
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  12. Bill Crocker

    Larry Guest

    I dont use a DSLR myself (at least not yet), so I understand the advantages
    of both.

    It just kind or "stirred my grits" reading the reference to the Panasonic
    being called a DSLR.

    All of my digitals would fall under the heading "LOOKS like an SLR" (Sony F
    717, Sony F 828, Fuji S7000, Fuju S5000 et al.
     
    Larry, Apr 1, 2005
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  13. Bill Crocker

    paul Guest



    Not bad for Radio Shack (panasonic)
    <just kidding, sounds like a cool camera>.
     
    paul, Apr 1, 2005
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  14. Ron Hunter wrote:
    []
    In a ZLR camera, the "reflex" is electronic. There is even an entire
    newsgroup devoted to the genre:


    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 1, 2005
    #54
  15. Ron Hunter wrote:
    []
    Panasonic DMC-LZ2?

    http://www.dcviews.com/_panasonic/lz2.htm

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 1, 2005
    #55
  16. Not really, I was commenting on language, not the particular camera.
    SLR means interchangeable lens and viewing through the lens, but the
    letters do not stand for that.




    --
    Matt Silberstein

    All in all, if I could be any animal, I would want to be
    a duck or a goose. They can fly, walk, and swim. Plus,
    there there is a certain satisfaction knowing that at the
    end of your life you will taste good with an orange sauce
    or, in the case of a goose, a chestnut stuffing.
     
    Matt Silberstein, Apr 1, 2005
    #56
  17. Bill Crocker

    ThomasH Guest

    Correct, and what is your point?
     
    ThomasH, Apr 1, 2005
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    Brian C. Allen, Apr 2, 2005
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  19. Bill Crocker

    Richard Guest

    "David J Taylor"

    (SNIP)
    This is the first thing that you have written that I disagree with. I
    Lowepro Nova 1AW bag that includes:

    1. Panasonic DMZ-FZ20
    2. Raynox adapter and filter kit (mounted to the camera)
    3. Raynox DCR-6600 PRO 24mm Wide lens converter
    4. Vivitar 283 flash.

    All the above and room for extra batteries and storage.
    I could not have begun to have enough room in this size bag to carry
    my old 35 mm camera and lenses capable of 24 to 432 mm not to mention
    the weight! In fact, I would not have had room for the camera and
    just the 70 to 210 zoom let alone anything else. ;^)
    This is the reason I gave up on my SLR even though it was capable of
    taking beautiful pictures. I.e., I took fewer and fewer pictures
    because lugging around the SLR became a major pain.
    Sometimes less is more.

    Richard
     
    Richard, Apr 5, 2005
    #59
  20. Richard, I hope the exclamation mark in my comment indicated that it was
    somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

    I do agree with you that size and weight are important - although
    different people will be prepared to tolerate different loads. I suspect
    part of my thinking when I made the comment was that when I ditched the
    SLR for digital, I ditched the external flash as well. For what I do
    that's an acceptable compromise, but I know that for many it would not be.
    I could go slightly further along the weight and bulk reduction route.

    Interestingly, though, it now looks as if I may go for a bigger camera
    bag, to accommodate both a Nikon 8400 for wide-angle, and a Panasonic FZ5
    for telephoto (which is just a shade lighter than your flash).

    That's if Pixmania can actually get something shipped to the UK. Ordered
    with next day delivery last Thursday and still waiting....

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 5, 2005
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